Author Topic: walter ray williams, jr. (Read 12533 times)

DON DRAPER · « **on:** August 30, 2008, 12:58:09 PM »

if there were any doubts about who the greatest bowler is i'd say they were answered this week at the world tenpin bowling association men's world championships. not only has walter ray won 44 pba national titles and been pba player of the year 6 times now he has also won the singles title and the masters title at the world tenpin bowling championships. the only major tournament he hasn't won is the pba's tournament of champions......even at the age of 48 i wouldn't count him out.

JoeBowler · « **Reply #61 on:** September 16, 2008, 08:57:47 AM »

I believe your use of the left hand clouds your judgement.

Didnt say he wasnt good.

So it just happens that less than 20% of the population is left handed but the have produced 3 of top 6 PBA title winners and a disproportionate number of majors. Seems like a big statisical anomally to me.

A good lefty when they have a superior shot only has to beat a handful of others. A good righty always will have many to defeat.

Earl, Parker, Aulby, all excellent bowlers. WOuldnt want to have to bowl them on any condition. Heck I couldnt bowl with anyone on tour.

With todays current format would Earl or Walter won as many titles as these matchs become more of a crap shoot rather than who is bowling best.

Maine Man · « **Reply #62 on:** September 16, 2008, 09:07:18 AM »

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I believe your use of the left hand clouds your judgement.

Didn't say he wasn't good.

So it just happens that less than 20% of the population is left handed but the have produced 3 of top 6 PBA title winners and a disproportionate number of majors. Seems like a big statistical anomaly to me.

A good lefty when they have a superior shot only has to beat a handful of others. A good righty always will have many to defeat.

Earl, Parker, Aulby, all excellent bowlers. Wouldn't want to have to bowl them on any condition. Heck I couldn't bowl with anyone on tour.

With todays current format would Earl or Walter won as many titles as these matches become more of a crap shoot rather than who is bowling best.

No clouded judgement here. I think great bowling is great bowling, no matter what hand you throw it with, and great bowlers are great bowlers. If WRW had the stats Earl has, than I would be championing him as the greatest of all time, I was just letting people know that I feel WRW is the 2nd greatest bowler in history. I said he is the greatest righty, only because Earl is lefty. Heck, you could almost go 1A and 1B for Earl and WRW if you wanted to, they are that close imho. I just give the slight edge to Earl, that's all.

I hate to see guys (pros, amateurs, whoever) getting trashed on by people like you who think that because they didn't throw the ball with the same hand as 80% + of the bowling population do, then their accomplishments should be somehow diminished. I look at the individual who shot and posted up the numbers, and not what hand they used to throw those numbers with. I wish more people did the same, and stopped crying foul because someone uses their left hand, grow up.
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sevenpin63 · « **Reply #63 on:** September 16, 2008, 04:33:17 PM »

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I have to agree with MAINE PBA Earl was the best of all time, the same number of titles in half the time, with inferior equipment. I remember the days when the rubber balls, and plastic balls were the thing. Compared to todays equipment its not even close, its so much easier today than back in the day. Today you just have to hit an area, back in the day you had to hit your mark on the money every time, or you paid for it.
But EVERYBODY had the same inferior equipment back in Earl's day, and EVERYBODY has the same modern equipment today. I don't understand how you can factor this into the equation. WRW has strong resin balls, but so does everybody. He still has to beat the entire field to win the tournament, the same way tournaments worked back in Earl's day. The game is totally different now as far as how it's approached with modern equipment (ball, layout, surface, managing the changing lane conditions are all many times more important than in the past, accuracy can be sacrified for power sometimes, unlike in Earl's day when accuracy was king), but it's still all about beating everyone else in the tournament.

All I am saying with the equipment from back in the day, and the equipment of today is, back in the day you had to have REAL talent to make it. But with todays equipment its alot easier for a good bowler to be a great bowler, alot more room for error. Back then you always needed your A game.
I used all of the different equipment thru my life time, and believe me I can tell the difference.

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Joe Jr · « **Reply #64 on:** September 16, 2008, 05:06:15 PM »

To me WRW is the best ever, not taking anything away from Earl but when you look at the other competition that is out there currently and the fact that WRW has won through it all, it's hard to deny. He's won in the plastic era, he's won in the urethane era and he won in the reactive era, the different formats, the different oil conditions. None of them stop them, he continues to win through the years.
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #65 on:** September 16, 2008, 09:49:34 PM »

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All I am saying with the equipment from back in the day, and the equipment of today is, back in the day you had to have REAL talent to make it. But with todays equipment its alot easier for a good bowler to be a great bowler, alot more room for error. Back then you always needed your A game.
I used all of the different equipment thru my life time, and believe me I can tell the difference.

I guess it all depends on what you define as "real talent." It's a different kind of talent to score now compared to then, but is one necessarily better than the other?

Krakken · « **Reply #66 on:** September 17, 2008, 12:51:11 PM »

You can'tcompare eras. Who's to say Earl would have had that many titles in this day and age with all the competition. Yeah you are going to say it is an easier game now because of equipment, but it is an easier game for everyone, thus making it easier for ANYONE to win.

He was by far the best of his era, that is without dispute, but who's to say the competition of that era was bettter than the competition of this era?
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David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #67 on:** September 17, 2008, 09:16:10 PM »

This is my 2cents.

Back in Earl's day, everyone was using the same equipment, and playing the same line. And yes accuracy had to be a premium over power. But Earl, had to face a field that had maybe 5 to 10 guys who might be able to beat him every week if they were "on". Plus, for the most part, the oil patterns was always the same.

When WRW was starting out, you probably had 10-20 guys every week who could win. Then after a few years, it was probably more like 25+ guys who could win every week. Now, its probably 30-50 guys who could win every week if they had the chance. Hell, I havent even watched a bowling match on TV, probably since 2003?

? idk lol I stopped bowling in 2004 so i dont even know what the format is anymore!

But, I do remember before they had the "Exempt" Tour, and it was just a full field of pro's, about 75% of those guys if they had a good week can beat WRW's.

The oil patterns and the way the balls react and use up the oil and move the oil around makes it alot harder to bowl, than to just play one line all week long.

Plus how many tournaments were around back when Earl was bowling fulltime??? also it was the highpoint of bowling when sponser's flocked to bowling and bowling was on tv primetime.

WRW, bowled during the dark ages of bowling, when it was scraping by and tournaments folded and you lost tournaments almost every year. Plus, he also had to adapt to the ever changing oil patterns and with new bowling balls comming out all the time.

I also remember a tournament where WRW's beat everyone, by using a PLASTIC BALL, when everyone else was using REACTIVE!!!!!!! I'd love to see someone try and challenge that feat!!

Plus, How many different types of bowling pins are out there?

Cuz I know not all of the bowling alleys use the same ones. And those all react differently too.
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