as I was watching, I was ok with the new scoring
but as I think about it I have two issues:

1- this will really inflate scores and make them incomparable to USBC averages 

2- there won't be any high drama finishes (ie. Joe has to throw the first two in the 10th to win) one ball in the tenth won't stress the nerves as much

I thought the scoring was easier to understand for the non-league bowler. But what the hell does that have to do with the Olympics?

With Gymnastics, Diving, Ice Skating, and some of the ski jumping, 99% of the people watching the Olympics have no clue how the score is calculated. Scoring isn't that hard, it can't be the only thing keeping bowling out of the Olympics.

Quote from: milorafferty on February 22, 2016, 09:34:07 AM

I thought the scoring was easier to understand for the non-league bowler. But what the hell does that have to do with the Olympics?

With Gymnastics, Diving, Ice Skating, and some of the ski jumping, 99% of the people watching the Olympics have no clue how the score is calculated. Scoring isn't that hard, it can't be the only thing keeping bowling out of the Olympics.

Since they've denied bowling's entry into the Olympics for the past 20 - 30 years or so, while water ballet gains entry, I'd guess they're taking every opportunity to insure that it is not denied entry again.

Yes, once you learn to keep score, it is not difficult, but how many younger bowlers, under the age of 35 or so, don't have clue #1 on how to keep score?? And they are participant sanctioned bowlers!!

Heck, I have almost every change people try to make to bowling. Change for the sake of change is always bad, but I kind of like this new system. It makes some sense. I tried to keep track of how it would compare to our regular system and conceptually, it was not far off. I kind of like it. It wouldn't be hard to get used to.

I just don't see how the current scoring method is the one thing keeping bowling out of the Olympics.

Quote from: charlest on February 22, 2016, 10:51:01 AM

Quote from: milorafferty on February 22, 2016, 09:34:07 AM

I thought the scoring was easier to understand for the non-league bowler. But what the hell does that have to do with the Olympics?

With Gymnastics, Diving, Ice Skating, and some of the ski jumping, 99% of the people watching the Olympics have no clue how the score is calculated. Scoring isn't that hard, it can't be the only thing keeping bowling out of the Olympics.

Since they've denied bowling's entry into the Olympics for the past 20 - 30 years or so, while water ballet gains entry, I'd guess they're taking every opportunity to insure that it is not denied entry again.

Yes, once you learn to keep score, it is not difficult, but how many younger bowlers, under the age of 35 or so, don't have clue #1 on how to keep score?? And they are participant sanctioned bowlers!!

Heck, I have almost every change people try to make to bowling. Change for the sake of change is always bad, but I kind of like this new system. It makes some sense. I tried to keep track of how it would compare to our regular system and conceptually, it was not far off. I kind of like it. It wouldn't be hard to get used to.

I just don't see how the current scoring method is the one thing keeping bowling out of the Olympics.

I never said it was THE ONE thing. It's probably one thing that several someones mentioned and the WBT thought it was enough to work on.

Bowling's one major problem is appearances: the difference between the game of bowling and the sport is sometimes so fine as to escape the eye of everyone but the experienced bowler. 

Quote from: LyalC52 on February 22, 2016, 11:37:40 AM

X-9/-X-9/-X-9/-X-9/-X-9/X -- USBC score = 200

X-9/-X-9/-X-9/-X-9/-X-9/ -- WBT score = 245

or

X 9- X 9- X 9- X 9- X 9- X 9- USBC score = 140 WBT score 195

You are leaving out things like this though.

x /9 x /9 x /9 x /9 x xxx USBC= 220
/9 /9 /9 /9 x x x x x xxx USBC= 257

Exact same total pins, same strikes and same spares total, different order equals two different scores.

Maybe they are trying to avoid that as well for Olympic consideration.

Quote from: LyalC52 on February 22, 2016, 01:50:28 PM

Quote from: LyalC52 on February 22, 2016, 11:37:40 AM

X-9/-X-9/-X-9/-X-9/-X-9/X -- USBC score = 200

X-9/-X-9/-X-9/-X-9/-X-9/ -- WBT score = 245

or

X 9- X 9- X 9- X 9- X 9- X 9- USBC score = 140 WBT score 195

You are leaving out things like this though.

x /9 x /9 x /9 x /9 x xxx USBC= 220 WBT = 245
/9 /9 /9 /9 x x x x x xxx USBC= 257 WBT = 256

Exact same total pins, same strikes and same spares total, different order equals two different scores.

Maybe they are trying to avoid that as well for Olympic consideration.

point being, to shoot high numbers with USBC you have to string strikes, the WBT takes all that away

I guess I think the scoring shouldn't be what is holding bowling back from the Olympics. I watched surfing and I literally have zero knowledge about surfing. It was interesting to watch and try and learn the scoring system and watching their technique. I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I think bowling is held back by appearances and preconceived ideas and stereotypes. Everyone assumes all bowlers drink beer and smoke. Granted a decent amount of people typically do both. That is typically what every nonbowler in the world thinks and I believe that is what is holding the sport back. Most people don't understand some of the complexities of the game. I have a couple more theories about oil and bowling balls nowadays but appearance might be one of the biggest factors in my opinion. I feel the scoring doesn't need to be changed or modify. 

You are leaving out things like this though.

x /9 x /9 x /9 x /9 x xxx USBC= 220 WBT = 245
/9 /9 /9 /9 x x x x x xxx USBC= 257 WBT = 256

I'm no expert, but I don't think so. In both cases the 10th would be 1 strike in WBT, giving 6 strikes for 30 ea and 4 19's for 76 for 256 in both cases.

point being, to shoot high numbers with USBC you have to string strikes, the WBT takes all that away

Exactly my point. I can't think of another sport where the order matters, just the score.