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tonybowls

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Wes Malott=Choker??
« on: December 09, 2007, 10:13:18 PM »
For all you Chris Barnes haters I have a question. Is Wes Malott a choker? 2-6 lifetime in TV Finals. 15 times made TV and only 2 titles. So I'm wondering why he doesn't take some heat for not winning more. Maybe some of you bowling guru's can fill me in on this.
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2007, 12:14:09 PM »
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First off, holding a human being to the same standard as a friggin' robot?  You don't ask for much, do you???  No human being is going to throw the ball exactly the same every single time like a robot.  (And even if you did, that'd get you in trouble -- did you know the Throwbot has never thrown a 300 because it dries out its line too much hitting it exactly the same each time?)

And by the way, do you think Chris Warren choked earlier in the broadcast when he stoned a 9 pin off an absolutely beautiful looking shot and lost by one pin?

I still say if you throw the ball pretty good, it's not a choke.  Completely f--- up and leave a huge split, you choked.


When did I hold a human to the same standard as a robot????? I thought I noted just the opposite  --- we are not machines.

My question is whether you strike if you throw the ball right.
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2007, 12:19:39 PM »
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First off, holding a human being to the same standard as a friggin' robot?  You don't ask for much, do you???  No human being is going to throw the ball exactly the same every single time like a robot.  (And even if you did, that'd get you in trouble -- did you know the Throwbot has never thrown a 300 because it dries out its line too much hitting it exactly the same each time?)

And by the way, do you think Chris Warren choked earlier in the broadcast when he stoned a 9 pin off an absolutely beautiful looking shot and lost by one pin?

I still say if you throw the ball pretty good, it's not a choke.  Completely f--- up and leave a huge split, you choked.


When did I hold a human to the same standard as a robot????? I thought I noted just the opposite  --- we are not machines.

My question is whether you strike if you throw the ball right.


You should be able to answer that.

Haven't you ever stoned pins, particularly an 8-pin if you're RH, or a 9-pin if you're LH, on a really good shot?

The laws of physics dictate that when round objects are hit they will not necessarily react the same way every time.
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2007, 12:20:18 PM »
Not always. You can leave the 8 pin on a perfect shot.
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2007, 12:21:05 PM »
I don't think needing 10 and getting 9 is choking at all.  It's bowling...
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2007, 12:21:26 PM »
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Not always. You can leave the 8 pin on a perfect shot.
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2007, 12:22:09 PM »
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My question is whether you strike if you throw the ball right.
Define "right."  There's an uncountable number of ways you can hit the pocket to strike.  There's just as many ways to hit the pocket and not strike.  You can throw a shot pure and leave a ringing 10 where the 6 goes straight over the neck of the 10, or you can throw it pure and leave a stone 8 pin.  In those cases, you're quite literally about 1/8th of an inch away from having a strike.  In other cases, you can throw the ball harder than you wanted, hit light, scatter the pins, and have the head pin come off the side wall to take out the 10 pin late and get a lucky strike.  So which way is "right?"

You can put any bowler in the world on the lanes and tell him "strike on this next ball or I will kill you," and even the best in the world will sometimes not get a strike.
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2007, 12:25:14 PM »
I love bowling! what other sport can you have someone that just started calling one of the best in the world a choker, or even second guessing him?
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2007, 12:27:38 PM »
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I love bowling! what other sport can you have someone that just started calling one of the best in the world a choker, or even second guessing him?
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My sentiments exactly!


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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2007, 12:28:09 PM »
Malott was a choker early in his TV career when he had problems with the foul line against Liz Johnson and threw it in the gutter on the TV pattern against Tommy Jones.  This season, his two losses in championship matches aren't because he choked them away.  In Indiana against Haugen, he lost because of a couple of ringing 10s and the transition got him last night.  

Barnes, on the other hand, needs good count and a mark to win and throws a bad shot for 7 to lose the match.  Barnes has "earned" his choker status over the years, Wes just hasn't got the breaks.  His time will come.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2007, 12:29:33 PM »
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I love bowling! what other sport can you have someone that just started calling one of the best in the world a choker, or even second guessing him?


Well commentators do this in other professional sports as well and sometimes they haven't even played the game all.  That said, I am definitely not criticizing any of their skills.  Usually the way they act on camera can annoy me but definitely not their skills.  If you play on a PBA Experience league and then watch how these pros score during the week you can put it in perspective.
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tonybowls

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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2007, 12:32:06 PM »
I am glad so many guys responded to my post. Personally I don't think Malott or Barnes are chokers. I just threw this out there because so many of you guys give Chris grief when he loses on TV and I was wondering how he compared to Wes who hasn't won much yet on TV either yet no one seems to call him out on it.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2007, 12:38:28 PM »
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I am glad so many guys responded to my post. Personally I don't think Malott or Barnes are chokers. I just threw this out there because so many of you guys give Chris grief when he loses on TV and I was wondering how he compared to Wes who hasn't won much yet on TV either yet no one seems to call him out on it.


Yeah I could tell by your original post that you weren't actually calling him a choker...  I hope people didn't take it that way.  You just wanted someone to compare him to Barnes' rep.  
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2007, 12:40:03 PM »
Let me get this straight. Wes is a choker because he did not win? So then every week everyone but the winner is a choker then would that be a fair statement? Come on how stupid do you have to be to believe that he choked. How many of us on this board have been up there on tv for a championship on the PBA? There might be a few and that is it. For everyone else calling a PROFESSIONAL bowler a choker let's see you lace your shoes up and go against them. Like I had stated in a previous post if you think Wes is a choker then I would love to be in his shoes out on tour and making a living out of this sport.
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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2007, 12:47:46 PM »
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I love bowling! what other sport can you have someone that just started calling one of the best in the world a choker, or even second guessing him?
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Again, for those of you who are not sophisticated enough to follow, please try to respond to the argument, rather than making personal attacks.

Whether I have bowled 8 months or 80 years does not matter. The question is whether Wes chokes on TV. I have competed in enough sports, and in my profession, enough to know what it is to finish. You probably have someone on your team in the league that consistently steps up and throws a strike in the clutch, along with the guy on your team  that you know will choke. It is no different for the pro bowlers. They are the elite in the sport, and given, they perform on the toughest conditions. That is why they get paid to do it. Some of them consistently cut their opponent's throat when they get their opponent down, others choke. Some are on the verge of greatness but may never get there because they do not have the innate instinct and ability to close.

Based on his performance on t.v., Wes has not shown me that he has it. He clearly has the skills. His game is intimidating at times. But when he needs ten and throws 9, time and time again, either it's unlucky or he just does not finish well, i.e. he chokes.

I'll give you odds that Wes's coach is not making excuses for him not closing the deal. Instead, I bet he is trying to get Wes to take his mental game to the next level.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Wes Malott=Choker??
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2007, 12:49:09 PM »
Some people are going to get angered by the title of this thread even though that wasn't the intent of it...
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