Author Topic: Wes Malott=Choker?? (Read 11157 times)

tonybowls · « **on:** December 09, 2007, 10:13:18 PM »

For all you Chris Barnes haters I have a question. Is Wes Malott a choker? 2-6 lifetime in TV Finals. 15 times made TV and only 2 titles. So I'm wondering why he doesn't take some heat for not winning more. Maybe some of you bowling guru's can fill me in on this.

Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2007, 06:54:42 AM »

I personally don't know. Maybe take the scientific approach... What is Barnes TV finals record?

The only thing I could guess is that since Chris Barnes is the poster boy of bowling, maybe he gets more backlash.

MAJM · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:03:41 AM »

Define what a choker is then you can see if he fits.
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Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:07:51 AM »

I am not sure how you can call any of these guys chokers since they are the best players out there but hey. I gather Barnes gets some crap for his TV record...

Danes07 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:24:23 AM »

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For all you Chris Barnes haters I have a question. Is Wes Malott a choker? 2-6 lifetime in TV Finals. 15 times made TV and only 2 titles. So I'm wondering why he doesn't take some heat for not winning more. Maybe some of you bowling guru's can fill me in on this.

I don't really think you can go calling someone a choker until you get out there and win more titles in a shorter time period than said bowler. These guys are the best in the world and thus they bowl against the best in the world each week.

Wes has 2 titles in only 15 times on TV...thats a hell of a lot better than a lot of guys out there on tour. Look at Walter Ray...it took Walter a long time before he started winning lots of titles. Give Wes some time. I think he's gonna end up being one of the more dominant bowlers on tour.
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Coleman · « **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:41:21 AM »

For all you who think any of those guys are chokers how many PBA titles do you have.
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baccala8872 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:44:27 AM »

I think there is a lot more to the term "choker" than simple won-loss record. But that is only my hack opinion. Other things that could be factored in are:

--Opponents avg. against in televised matches (at the risk of sounding Loschetter-ish)
--Sudden loss of look. (Who among us, pros and amateurs alike, hasn't gone 250-something, 160-something, 240 something?)
--"Different" ball reaction when the shots get more critical. If/when he whips a ringing ten when needing a strike, that is tons different than leaving 4-thru-the-face, or double nuts under the same pressure.

Again, that is just my hack $0.02.
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ccrider · « **Reply #7 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:04:01 AM »

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For all you who think any of those guys are chokers how many PBA titles do you have.
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First, let me say that I like Wes and thinks that ultimately he will be one of the best bowlers on tour.

You do not have to be a professional bowler or have won a title to know a person that chokes under pressure. The best figures out a way to overcome the pressure and stress and does what it takes to win, whether it be football, baseball, bowling, pool, etc. It does not matter.

Wes chokes --- time after time.

This is not to say that he will always choke. After time, he may figure out what it takes to overcome his nerves and capture the moment. I think that he will. I have watched him and its like you can see the uncertainty in sense that for now he "lacks the ability to close the deal". The ultimate choker.

NicholasE · « **Reply #8 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:09:25 AM »

Choke or no choke...look at all the people that didn't even make the telecast. Just getting to the finals is one heck of an accomplishment! Besides I'm sure he got a pretty nice check for 2nd.

Everyone also talks about CB choking well he has been in the top ranking for most money earned I think over a million dollars maybe more..if thats choking then I would love to choke!
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BowlingWolf · « **Reply #9 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:16:37 AM »

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For all you who think any of those guys are chokers how many PBA titles do you have.
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When Chuck Norris sends in his taxes, he sends blank forms and includes only a picture of himself, crouched and ready to attack. Chuck Norris has not had to pay taxes ever.

First, let me say that I like Wes and thinks that ultimately he will be one of the best bowlers on tour.

You do not have to be a professional bowler or have won a title to know a person that chokes under pressure. The best figures out a way to overcome the pressure and stress and does what it takes to win, whether it be football, baseball, bowling, pool, etc. It does not matter.

Wes chokes --- time after time.

This is not to say that he will always choke. After time, he may figure out what it takes to overcome his nerves and capture the moment. I think that he will. I have watched him and its like you can see the uncertainty in sense that for now he "lacks the ability to close the deal". The ultimate choker.

Based on yesterday's performance, Wes is definitely not a choker.

He had to deal with tremendous transition.

He was, after all, the last right-handed bowler standing, and that left lane became very hard to hit. Had he struck on that lane more often (left a couple of 2-8 spares by not finishing enough, since he had to move deeper in order not to go through the beak), I think the outcome might've (might have) been different.

Patrick didn't have to deal with his side changing too much, he was still able to play near the ditch, and although he had to make a couple of small moves to get the necessary reaction out his his bowling balls, the changes were not nearly as radical as Wes's. (By the way, I am not descrediting Patrick-he bowled great.)

So, no, I do not believe Wes choked. Bowling adjustments don't always work out as we intend them to.
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Edited on 12/10/2007 11:16 AM

dw23 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:16:49 AM »

I don't consider Wes a choker yet. Has he thrown the best shot each time he has a chance to win, No. Nerves play a big part in throwing the last shot for the win but a player has a better chance at throwing that shot effectively when they are in there comfort zone on the lanes. I don't care if you are Walter Ray or Pete Weber they all have there comfort zones.

Chris Barnes (who is one of my favorite bowlers by the way) has missed horribly on shots needed for the win when he has been in his comfort zone. I'm not talking about a weak ten from missing a little at the bottom. I mean total misses that cause bucket leaves or big fours. He will get over this and make better shots on TV. If it equates to more wins or not remains to be seen.

ccrider · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:32:24 AM »

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For all you who think any of those guys are chokers how many PBA titles do you have.
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When Chuck Norris sends in his taxes, he sends blank forms and includes only a picture of himself, crouched and ready to attack. Chuck Norris has not had to pay taxes ever.

First, let me say that I like Wes and thinks that ultimately he will be one of the best bowlers on tour.

You do not have to be a professional bowler or have won a title to know a person that chokes under pressure. The best figures out a way to overcome the pressure and stress and does what it takes to win, whether it be football, baseball, bowling, pool, etc. It does not matter.

Wes chokes --- time after time.

This is not to say that he will always choke. After time, he may figure out what it takes to overcome his nerves and capture the moment. I think that he will. I have watched him and its like you can see the uncertainty in sense that for now he "lacks the ability to close the deal". The ultimate choker.

Based on yesterday's performance, Wes is definitely not a choker.

He had to deal with tremendous transition.

He was, after all, the last right-handed bowler standing, and that left lane became very hard to hit. Had he struck on that lane more often (left a couple of 2-8 spares by not finishing enough, since he had to move deeper in order not to go through the beak), I think the outcome might've (might have) been different.

Patrick didn't have to deal with his side changing too much, he was still able to play near the ditch, and although he had to make a couple of small moves to get the necessary reaction out his his bowling balls, the changes were not nearly as radical as Wes's. (By the way, I am not descrediting Patrick-he bowled great.)

So, no, I do not believe Wes choked. Bowling adjustments don't always work out as we intend them to.
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Edited on 12/10/2007 11:16 AM

Excuses are monuments of nothing building bridges that lead to nowhere.

They all bowled on the same lanes. Noone had there hands tied behind their back. If Wes is making the same excuses that you and others seem to be making for him, that is a big part of his proble. He should call it straight up, he did not perform in the end, he did not close, and it is not the lanes fault.

By definition (my definition anyway), choking is the failure to throw the best shot when it matters. Wes did not do it and has not done it on TV -- Period.

sdbowler · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:36:57 AM »

Wolfe even made the comment that the lanes were bad. I can't recall exactly what he said though.

If you are calling him a choker. I would really love to be a choker like that then. Be out on tour bowling against the best bowlers.
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BowlingWolf · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:42:16 AM »

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For all you who think any of those guys are chokers how many PBA titles do you have.
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When Chuck Norris sends in his taxes, he sends blank forms and includes only a picture of himself, crouched and ready to attack. Chuck Norris has not had to pay taxes ever.

First, let me say that I like Wes and thinks that ultimately he will be one of the best bowlers on tour.

You do not have to be a professional bowler or have won a title to know a person that chokes under pressure. The best figures out a way to overcome the pressure and stress and does what it takes to win, whether it be football, baseball, bowling, pool, etc. It does not matter.

Wes chokes --- time after time.

This is not to say that he will always choke. After time, he may figure out what it takes to overcome his nerves and capture the moment. I think that he will. I have watched him and its like you can see the uncertainty in sense that for now he "lacks the ability to close the deal". The ultimate choker.

Based on yesterday's performance, Wes is definitely not a choker.

He had to deal with tremendous transition.

He was, after all, the last right-handed bowler standing, and that left lane became very hard to hit. Had he struck on that lane more often (left a couple of 2-8 spares by not finishing enough, since he had to move deeper in order not to go through the beak), I think the outcome might've (might have) been different.

Patrick didn't have to deal with his side changing too much, he was still able to play near the ditch, and although he had to make a couple of small moves to get the necessary reaction out his his bowling balls, the changes were not nearly as radical as Wes's. (By the way, I am not descrediting Patrick-he bowled great.)

So, no, I do not believe Wes choked. Bowling adjustments don't always work out as we intend them to.
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BowlingWolf

Edited on 12/10/2007 11:16 AM

Excuses are monuments of nothing building bridges that lead to nowhere.

They all bowled on the same lanes. Noone had there hands tied behind their back. If Wes is making the same excuses that you and others seem to be making for him, that is a big part of his proble. He should call it straight up, he did not perform in the end, he did not close, and it is not the lanes fault.

By definition (my definition anyway), choking is the failure to throw the best shot when it matters. Wes did not do it and has not done it on TV -- Period.

You just started bowling in 2007, and can already make the statement that a shot is a shot no matter what.

Hmmmmm.

Learn a little about the game, and then decide.

The adjustments Wes had to make were way more difficult than Patrick's, since his moves required larger chunks of real estate.

One day, perhaps, you'll understand.
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BowlingWolf

justdale · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:45:37 AM »

Last time Wes Mallott was on TV I believe the ringing from that 10 pin he left is still echoing through out that bowling center. You cant throw a ball better than he did on that shot.

As for last night you can say that his 2-8 pin leaves were not his best effort and he came right out and said that he knew better, and he just was not getting the ball out on the left lane. But, according to what I heard on the telecast last night, they had a half hour more of practice before the telecast even started, than they ever had on any previous shows.

If all you haters want to call any of those bowlers out there chokers, maybe you should try and even compete on their level. There are qualifiers every week, pony up the money and give it a try
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