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12XSECH

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REAX = DUD
« on: July 03, 2013, 10:06:37 AM »
When I first got the Reax I thought it was awesome. The house I used it at was med oil...I go to a different house that has a heavier volume of oil and the ball sucks. I tried different surfaces...1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000. I even tried with some polish and that made it worse. And yes, I clean my equipment right after every session. Its a medium oil ball at BEST. Every other ball I have out hooks the reax on heavier oil..the Nightmare, Hellraiser terror, storm manic, revenge.... The reax was drilled to be my "go to" ball in heavy and tournament condition patterns but so far its proven to be a medium oil ball....nothing more.

 

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2013, 10:14:49 AM »
and you are the reason why bowling has gone downhill. Either A) you are a troll or B) you think every ball should work the same in every house regardless of the lane prep, lane type (wood versus synthetic, etc) environment, etc. You said yourself the ball is a great medium oil ball at one house. Sounds like to me you should not take the ball to the house with heavy oil and when you go to the medium oil house, pack the REAX.

Pretty simple to me.

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2013, 10:43:13 AM »
What did you put for a drill pattern on the ball?
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2013, 10:44:28 AM »
and you are the reason why bowling has gone downhill. Either A) you are a troll or B) you think every ball should work the same in every house regardless of the lane prep, lane type (wood versus synthetic, etc) environment, etc. You said yourself the ball is a great medium oil ball at one house. Sounds like to me you should not take the ball to the house with heavy oil and when you go to the medium oil house, pack the REAX.

Pretty simple to me.

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I believe he is saying the Reax is not the heavy oil ball it claims to be. You should read his comments before trolling him with your comments. I was looking to get this ball as my heavy oil ball but now I may rethink it based on how it reacted for 12XSECH. Anybody else experience the same with the Reax?

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2013, 11:02:23 AM »
Wow...to claim a ball is a dud because of the results from one house is an irrational statement. Further, if you base your opinion whether to purchase a ball or not when you have never seen him/her throw, regardless of the drill pattern he/she has on the ball, and regardless if your PAP and other drilling stats are completely different from him/her to you, you are going to take his opinion. Once again, this is what is wrong with bowling today.

I could sit here and tell you that I drilled up a Frantic and that ball was the smoothest ball I have ever seen. Forget that I put a RICO drill on the ball and forget because of my end of end reaction and little axis tilt that no ball backends for me, but you, with possible completely different stats expects the ball to react the same. Really?

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2013, 11:07:35 AM »
3835, learn to read. Im the reason bowling is going downhill? I said its NOT the heavy oil ball its cracked up to be. All my other stuff out hooks it on the heavier lane condition. At the same time...the Reax is better on the MEDIUM oiled lanes. I dont know the specs of the drilling but...pin slight to right and up of ring finger, GC on center line, in line with pin and MB to right of thumb hole inline with CG. Im disappointed in the ball because the condition I got it for doesnt seem to be the condition for this ball. Im not a beginner, my house avg is 221, sport avg is 200, 4 three hundred games etc... 

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2013, 11:14:46 AM »
also 3835...I tried it at several different house's, different kegel patterns etc..... MY findings are its best for medium oil. EVERY heavier oiled pattern the ball was not great. It sucked on the shark but was good on the cheetah....I bought this ball for patterns like the shark, like route 66 etc.....IT DOESNT WORK... It works on Stone street pattern, cheetah etc.... see the point? and like I said...Im not a beginner that just goes and buys a ball and expects it to work on every pattern.

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2013, 11:15:06 AM »
12XSECH,

The balls you have that out hook the REAX on heavy oil, where are the pins on those?
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2013, 11:29:10 AM »
To help you out, why dont you go back to your driller and find out your stats. PAP, Speed, Rev Rate, Axis Rotation and Tilt will give you the necessary input to get a well educated benchmark layout. Then measure out your Reax and compare what you need to what you have. That way if you're way off then you can plug and redrill the ball to your specific layout.

I think Maine Man has had the best idea to compare you Reax pin and MB location to your other equipment. Phil Cardinale(Newguy) is on here and Mo Pinel is on bowlingchat.net. My point is that you shouldnt give up on a ball especially after you just spent high performance money on a ball. I agree that some balls dont match up, but exhaust you options.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2013, 11:30:25 AM »
Oh I can read. I read where you made a statement that a ball sucks because of the reaction it gave at ONE house when you praised the ball at another house.

Just because you have a 221 average does not make you a drilling specialist. Have you had any pro shop training? Attended any seminars, camps, etc? Just because someone can throw the rock does not mean you know anything about someone else and how a ball will react.

Last...without seeing ball reaction, how do we know the REAX is not burning up, giving off the impression of too weak but in reality it is simply too strong for the condition?

The point I am trying to make is just because one user had a bad experience does not make the ball a DUD (as you called it) for one condition and does not mean that someone else will not be able to use the ball on its intended condition or the condition that you could not.

There was a thread started the other day about the problem with bowling. Individuals reading posts like these who do not understand about drilling, etc will read the REAX is a DUD and will not understand.

3835
When I first got the Reax I thought it was awesome. The house I used it at was med oil...I go to a different house that has a heavier volume of oil and the ball sucks. I tried different surfaces...1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000. I even tried with some polish and that made it worse. And yes, I clean my equipment right after every session. Its a medium oil ball at BEST. Every other ball I have out hooks the reax on heavier oil..the Nightmare, Hellraiser terror, storm manic, revenge.... The reax was drilled to be my "go to" ball in heavy and tournament condition patterns but so far its proven to be a medium oil ball....nothing more.

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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2013, 12:01:38 PM »
Well I have had no shortage of use with mine on heavier oil. It is drilled similar to what you have listed. I know my specs and what I was looking for in reaction, I do not know yours. Just guessing the pin is in the 4.5" - 5" range likely from your pap.

That will have length but should recover down lane on most shots but on heavier oil it would have likely too much length and not make it through the three phases correctly. (skid,hook,roll) Likely you would want the pin closer to 3 to 3.5"s from your pap.

The reason some critique your initial comments is because your ignorant to a lot of things related to bowling and the problems your facing. Why this ball or that ball is or isn't doing what it should. That is common for a lot of people, and expected. It is common for anyone that works in a proshop to hear this from bowlers. Doesn't mean it is always tolerated.

If you do not decide to redrill it your other option for heavy oil/flat patterns is to try taking the surface down to 500 grit and see if that helps the ball. Not take it down to 500 and go throw it on your ths or anything else. Save it strictly to try on a heavier/flat oil pattern.

Since you have no video to show of your self bowling, no one here bowls with you and can only guess at what problems your facing. You do not know your bowling specs and neither do we.

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2013, 12:47:00 PM »
Mine is a3.5 inch pin. My rev rate is approx 350... speed 16-17 mph. The pin on my reax is in the same place as my nightmare. When I had the read at 1000....,the answer was "its burning up early"...at 4000 "to smooth of a surface".....and no I'm not a ball techy. I tell the driller what I'm looking for and he does what he does. This is the same driller that drilled 20 other balls for me so he knows what he is doing. The reax FOR ME is not as good as my other stuff on heavier patterns. If you have a problem with this like 3745....so be it.

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2013, 12:58:16 PM »
So you bought a ball with a 3.5" pin?
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2013, 01:11:21 PM »
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Mine is a3.5 inch pin

The length of the pin out marked on the box is NOT the same as the distance of the pin from your PAP. Those are two different things, the number on the box doesn't dictate the reaction you're going to get. The distance of the pin from your axis in relation to how it's drilled is what determines ball reaction.

Also, if you want to use a ball on heavy oil, why are you taking the surface UP and then POLISHING it? Do you really expect the ball to handle heavy volumes with a shine on it? That's like putting racing tires on a minivan. The more oil you want the ball to handle, the lower the surface needs to be. You should have taken the surface down, i.e. sanded the ball, not polished it. Further, you need to ask your driller what your PAP is and how far the pin is from said PAP. It's possible the ball was drilled too weak to handle heavy oil.

I had a ball that was supposed to handle the flood, and it never handled anything over medium. Tried every surface known to man at the time, added and moved axis holes, different lines, dozens of houses. It just never handled anything more than medium. The only thing I never did was a plug and redrill, which I probably should have. Unfortunately some scumbag stole that ball, so I can't play around with it anymore :(
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2013, 01:44:08 PM »
http://www.ballreviews.com/radical/heres-the-question-t295782.0.html;msg2407531#msg2407531

After re-reading this you should consider talking with your proshop. Your all over the place when it comes to information and most of it isn't helpful. A video would be more beneficial.

For the "heavy oil" your facing you should try the original box finish of 1000 or going lower to 800 or 500.
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