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Defiant Edge
« on: May 24, 2012, 10:51:45 AM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00

High Performance
FEATURES:
- Coverstock: MicroBite Pearl Reactive
- Weight Block: Paragon Core (14-16 pounds)
- Ball Color: Red/Black/Electric Blue All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown.
- Ball Finish: 1500-grit Polished
- RG Differential: 16#-.052, 15#-.054, 14#-.053
- RG Average: 16#-2.49, 15#-2.49, 14#-2.52
- Flare Potential: 7" Plus (High)
- Recommended Lane Conditions: Medium/Heavy Oil
- A few tiny pit holes in the cover stock of the ball are normal
- Description: Featuring the same technological advancement found in the Defiant, the unique elliptical shape of the Paragon core defines predictability of axis migration and allows you to perfectly match up your ball reaction to the condition at hand.
The MicroBite pearl reactive coverstock uses extremely small structured additives to help smooth the transitions while maintaining entry angle at the pocket. This helps you create better pin action while reducing oil sensitivity that can send your ball through the break point.
The new Defiant Edge is the ideal complement to the original Defiant, providing the perfect combination of skid-hook-roll even on medium-heavy oil. Be sure to keep your original Defiant on hand for those heavy oil situations.

 

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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 04:56:34 PM »
LANE CONDITION

THS: Kegel Main Street, 41 ft, medium volume
Sport: 2012 USBC Championship Open Pattern, 39 ft, medium volume

Testers: Cranker, Tweener, Stroker

COMMENTS

The Defiant Edge reaction is exactly as expected if youíve seen the Defiant in action. We saw a very heavy rolling ball that still makes a good move on the backends. The ball seemed to generate reasonable length and made a good move on the backend. On the medium volume Main Street 41 foot pattern, the Defiant is a bit hard to use because of how much friction it creates. If you get inside into the oil, you will still get a strong continuous move. Very predictably, the Defiant Edge with its pearl cover made it a lot easier to use on this house shot. The added length means we didnít have to try to force it through the heads. It also made a smooth transition and hit the pocket with good strength.
This ball is simply more suited to medium to medium heavy patterns than the original Defiant which will make it pretty popular. If you watch the videos, you will see similar board coverage, but thatís because the Defiant creates more friction and hence will roll smoother and offer less backend. On a heavy pattern, the Defiant will offer the bigger move.
On the sport pattern, the Defiant Edge offered a relatively good level of control for the 2:1 ratio oil. It performed above average on the sport shot, with added control and good, predictable backend movement.

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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 02:33:58 PM »
Roto Grip Defiant Edge #1      serial#12REGE30J051      
layout: 50x4x35
Ball was drilled to be used on house patterns that use HPL and SPL and be a benchmark ball to replace my Infinite Theory. Tested on 2 house patterns with HPL and SPL surfaces, and also on Autobahn and Winding Road on the HPL surface.
Found that on the house pattern, I had to look about 2-3 inches further down the lane, but was still able to play the same lines to the pocket. Did also notice on the sport patterns, I needed to look much further down lane so it would not over react. The overall performance was stronger than the Infinite I have with the same layout and sharper angle into the pocket then any hybrid pearl and reactive pearl I ever had.

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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 02:34:50 PM »
Roto Grip Defiant Edge #2      serail#12REGE30C045      
layout: 50x5x60
Ball was drilled to be used as a backup to the Edge#1 as if that ball would be too strong in the back end, I could simply switch to this one, without changing my starting point and break point on the lanes.
I loved this ball on fresh house patterns with HPL and SPL surfaces, rolled better and did not have to adjust my eyes on the lane too much. Also loved it on Winding Road, moved left of center, around 13-14, and looked down the lane to about 45ft and play left of the track area on HPLÖ This ball went bananas with the carry when I did this. The more length down the lane I got, the better it would carry. After using both Edges, I think this will be the benchmark ball for me, then if I needed stronger, I would use the 50x4x35 EDGE and if I need weaker I would step down to my Critical Theory or my new Defiant.

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Defiant Edge by Storm/Roto Grip Staffer Garrett Richardson
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 04:37:44 PM »
Hand: Left
Ball Speed: 16-17mph
Ball Weight: 15lbs
PAP: 5 left 7/16 up
Degrees of Tilt: 17
Layout: 5 x 4 Ĺ x 2

The Defiant Edge is drilled pin above fingers and Preferred Spin Axis (mass bias) about 1 inch away from the thumb. The Defiant Edge has a similar roll to the original Defiant meaning real controllable and a lot of different kind of style of bowlers can use it. When you are using the Defiant for 1 or 2 games and you start seeing the Defiant not finishing you can go to the Defiant Edge and gets through the heads much cleaner and has a strong back end motion. It doesnít have that sharp back end angle that you see in a lot of other pearl cover stocks, it is a little smoother which gives me more control during transition. I went to Las Vegas for a megabucks tournament and the pattern was a 36 foot pattern with a big volume of oil in the heads and the Defiant Edge gave me the best look when usually strong balls tend to be too much down lane when this ball kept me in play and was not flying off the back ends like other balls in its category usually does. I was able play in my comfort zone from the start and just ball down from there. If you have a Defiant you will like the Defiant Edge.

If you have any questions about the Defiant Edge email me at garrett.richardson@pinolebowlerssupply.com

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Great complement to the original Defiant
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 11:59:01 AM »
Layout is pin above ring 4 7/8Ē from PAP with a balance hole.
I am a left handed tweener with a 325 rev rate.
This ball is the next great high performance ball from Roto Grip. This ball is designed to complement the original Defiant. The pearl cover stock gives the ball a clean roll through the front part of the lane. This ball is very continuous on the backend. It really does not stop. It goes through the pins with ease. I have used this ball on everything from house patterns to various length sport patterns.

I have tried this ball at multiple surfaces, and it has shown me that it is very versatile. This ball shines up well to get through the heads and save energy for maximum backend reaction. Even at 1000 grit, it still cleared the heads and continued on the backend.

If you love the original defiant, than this ball will be the perfect complement so that you can conquer any lane conditions thrown at you.

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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2012, 01:52:20 PM »
BALL SPECS

Pin Length:2"

Starting Top Weight:2.84 oz

Ball Weight:15lb 4oz


DRILL PATTERN

Pin to PAP:4oz

CG to PAP:2"

X Hole (if there is one):5"


BOWLER STYLE

Rev Rate:300

Ball Speed:15mph

PAP/Track:5 1/2 and 1/2 down


SURFACE PREP

Grit:1500
Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded):polished


LANE CONDITION

Length:39'

Volume:medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):THS


BALL REACTION

Length: average (5 on a scale of 1 to 10)

Back End:above average (7 on a scale of 1 to 10)

Overall Hook: 8 on a scale of 1-10

Midlane Read:very nice 7-8 on a scale of 1 to 10

Breakpoint Shape: turns the corner without being snappy, very nice


COMMENTS

Likes: A benchmark ball perfect for medium to medium heavy lanes. Also good when you want to get deeper on the lane and don't want to play a lot of dry. It reads the midlane nicely, reacts and saves a lot of energy for such a strong ball. Its also a very nice looking ball and hits good. I've had quite a few airborne messengers with this piece.

Dislikes:A little too strong for drier lanes as expected unless you have exceptional ball speed.


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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2012, 12:36:27 PM »
Ball specs Ė 15 lbs 0 oz, 3.31top weight, and 2 3/4-inch pin.

Using the dual angle method, the Defiant Edge was drilled with a 5 inch pin distance, 60 degree drill angle and a 30 degree VAL angle. Using Stormís drilling methodology the layout is 5 X 4 3/4  X 2 3/8  pin buffer.  An X-hole was not needed.  The surface was left OOB which is 1500 polished.

The HP4 line Defiant Edge has the new Paragon core but with a little higher RG.  It also has a polished pearl cover stock with a color scheme that resembles the pearl Cell.  These changes are what make the Defiant Edge different from the original Defiant solid.  I threw the Defiant Edge on a broken down 41 foot, 24 micro-liter house shot and had to start my targeting in around 22 to find some oil.  When compared with a similarly drilled Defiant solid, the Defiant Edge was cleaner through the fronts and mid-lane (more skid and length) and had a stronger but very readable move off the friction on the backend.  (The Defiant solid was reading too early and hitting flat.)  The Defiant Edge also had great continuation through the pins.  Hit and carry was very, very good considering where I was playing on the lane. 

The Defiant Edge will be a great go to ball when your Defiant solid or other aggressive solid (Theory, Cell) is burning up and hitting flat.

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RG Defiant Edge
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 10:46:45 PM »
Defiant Edge  55 x 5.25 x 60

The Defiant Edge is the Pearl Version of the original Defiant.  The Edge does what it was intended to do, cleaner through the fronts and more reaction on the backend.
So when you start to see the Defiant start to labor or flat 10 down lane, donít hesitant going to the Defiant Edge.  Iíve bowled with the Edge in our Kegel Summer league and I was very impressed as I was able to use the Edge on most of the patterns, which is pretty good for an asymmetrical ball.  I normally canít use a strong Asymmetrical ball as they donít make up with my roll and axis tilt.  The Edge gave me what I was missing , a strong rolling pearl with control.  A very good 1-2 punch from Roto Grip.



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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2012, 06:30:02 PM »
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Defiant Edge

I found the Defiant Edge to be a similar comparison to the old Pearl Cell.  The same one that Wes Malott owned the tour back in 2009, 

This ball is just stronger and more predictable.  I look for the opportunity to use this one when I'm trying to expose a pattern.  It just seems to magnify your look.   Most will recommend this for more oil but from the left side I really like in on medium to shorter patterns. 

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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 12:04:23 PM »
Upon getting this ball, I was first very impressed at the color scheme of the ball. It is unreal how much shelf appeal has an effect with consumers and the choice of colors on the Defiant Edge gives it a clean, sharp look. At first, I was very unsure on how I wanted the ball to perform for me. I talked with Chris Schlemer and he suggested that I put the pin directly over the bridge, and the mass bias 2Ē away from the thumb. I have a higher rev rate, but also a high axis point as Iím stay behind the ball a lot. This layout was used to provide me with a stronger motion in the backend, as at the time I was missing a ball that would clear the front of the lanes easily, and still retain its energy in the back part of the lane. This is the exact reaction I see out of the Defiant Edge.  As I compared it to the original Defiant, the difference in the balls was obvious. Where our pro shop is located, the bowling alley has fewer units in the front parts of the lane. This makes it virtually impossible for me to throw the Defiant, as the core/cover combo reads the front part of the lane and burns out. The Defiant Edge works perfectly in this situation for me. The ball clears the lower volume in the heads here, and retains its energy, making a strong motion in the back part of the lanes. This is a very strong pearl ball, and for me, is best used when there is lower volume in the front parts of the lanes or in transition as lanes break down.

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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2012, 09:44:44 PM »
When looking for a ball with good length and strong backend, there are lots of options on the market.  I went with the Defiant Edge for its high differential and strong pearlized cover.  I drilled it 65 x 4 5/8 x 35 to achieve what I was looking for. 

This is not a ball for super heavy oil.  If this is what you are bowling on, there are balls made for that, (VG Nano, Defiant, etc) which will conquer such patterns better than the Edge does.  Taking the polish off with an Abralon pad would help, but still, the ball was made for medium to slightly heavier oil. 

When there is some friction on the lane, this ball comes alive.  This ball makes the strongest move in the back part of the lane I have seen in a long time.  On a variety of shots, I find this to be the ball to go to once there is the slightest evidence of breakdown.  As the front of the lane starts to get beat up, the cover maintains its energy so the backends always seem like they are crisp.  The motion through the pins is awesome and carry percentage is high.  This ball takes to hand position changes well.  When I want to roll the ball more, the motion is smoother but still continuous.  Conversely, when I want to get the ball around the corner, I just rotate my hand a little more at the bottom.  This is one of the top balls on the market in my opinion!
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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2012, 02:41:09 AM »
The Defiant Edge with its peralized coverstock is a nice companion ball to the Defiant.  I like this ball for the 39-foot house pattern I play on in league.  I find with the pearl cover this ball goes 2-3 feet long through the heads then make a stronger more dramatic angle to the pocket.  Having this extra continuous hooking power and motion on the back end allows me to play 4-5 boards deeper and open up the area.  The Defiant Edge still had a nice predictable motion down the lane.  In league play I am averaging 216 with this ball.  The 1500 polished finish gives me the skid flip motion that I like on a house shot..
To achieve this reaction, I had my ball drilled with the pin below the fingers with the mass bias in the strong position.  I added a weight hole as well.
As the night goes on and the Defiant begins to become more aggressive, I can move in and go deeper or switch to the Shooting Star.
For a speed dominate low rev player, this is a nice one to have in your arsenal and another great ball from Roto Grip and.

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Re: Defiant Edge
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2012, 09:25:25 AM »
LANE CONDITION

Length: 35'

Volume: Medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): Sport Pattern


COMMENTS

Likes: Very smooth finish, Comes off hand nicely, and rolls down the lane good.

Dislikes: Too much hook when lanes brake down.


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Defiant Edge
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2012, 12:02:25 PM »
LANE CONDITION

Length:

Volume:

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):
Sport

COMMENTS

Likes:
smooth, comes of my hand, plays lanes well
Dislikes:


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