I just got back from Fremont where Pchee2 and I both threw our Sonic X and the Sliver Streak Pearl.  The Silver Streal Pearl only flipped strong on short oil.  On a Christmas tree oil pattern the SSP didn't jump til the end of the oil pattern but did not jump.  It won't jump over the oil but followed it.  With Pchee2's rev rate, he could get the SSP to make a left hand turn in the short oil or fairly dry lane conditions.  I didn't have the ball speed or the revs to use the ball on short oil but on a regular league shot with no carry down the ball worked well for me.  Not flippy at all.

The Sonic X is not a dry lane ball.  Maybe better for dry lane conditions then other reactives, but no way is the Sonic X a dry lane ball.  Now maybe the Sonic which was an overseas ball was good for dry lanes, but the Sonic X was a souped up Sonic and too strong for dry lanes especially if the heads are dry.  It is a good short oil ball or light oil ball, but even with Roger's recommended drilling, too strong for dsry lanes IMHO.

V/R,
Nicanor

I own the  15 lb Sonic X and drilled 5 x 4 1/2. I have med revs and med speed. with this drilling i'm able to get a nice roll break about ten boards into the pocket. I let my coworker try out my ball when he threw this ball out to the twenty board and out to the fifth boad and came back into the pocket. Well my point if a company has a certain drilling chart recommendation that does not mean that every bowler is going to get the same reaction from that same drilling pattern. So to  Mustang Guy i would not worry about coming out with drilling recommendations to fit everybody, that would be difficult task. I think to many bowler all they wan to do is rip the cover of bowling balls and not learn to be a versatile type player. I will leave you with this. Different strokes for different folks.

pchee2,

The "overseas" Sonic IS the Storm Blue Hot Flame (except RG made it green). I saw it for sale about a year ago on Ebay with full details. For me the BHF is the premier DRY lane (virtually) 2-piece resin ball ever made. I'd strongly suggest you pick one up; they are still available, even though they are no longer made.

Charlest, thanks I'll have to look into getting a Blue Hot or maybe the overseas Sonic.  I used to have a blue hot a long time ago but I let someone else have it.  

Roger, not only am I full of "it", read my signature line, I am full of STUFF!  I realize that you are rather young and may not see the big picture yet, but lets say that you and I had a conversation about how I think Roto charts are off.  All you would do is say "ok thanks" and nothing would be done.  Why?  Because its only 1 voice and everyone else's praise of the equipment would cloud your judgment into dismissing my opinion of the charts.  

Instead, I voice my opinion in public giving you a free survey and so far the majority of posters agree with me.  And this grabs your attention to the point where you now state that you will rework the charts.  Do you see it yet?  In case you don't, which I must assume because so far your reading comprehension has been less than stellar, my publicity has given you opinions of people who would have not ordinarily given you their opinions.  So in effect, I have brought out people's thoughts regarding the charts and these people would have not said a thing if it wasn't for my public voice.  See it now?   Me contacting you gets you 1 voice, whereas me publicly voicing my opinion gets you many voices and even voices of people who you talk to on a regular basis thereby giving you a survey.  If you don't get it you are hopeless.  

So far many, and I mean MANY, people have told me that I am just wasting my time with you because you just can't see further than your own nose.  I find it rather funny that some people have pacified you by telling you about me.  But if these people know me well enough they will also tell you that I am not bashing because they can tell the difference when I bash and when I don't.  

I don't know, maybe you are still mad that your girlfriend left you and mad that I made fun of you for turning to a bowling website and publically asking these people with great desparation to help you hook up with chicks.   If you're still mad about that you need to get over it.  

Oh, by the way, when have you ever seen posts in Roto's section get so many views and replies with various opinions in such a short amount of time?  Yeah I didn't think so.

And thanks for entertaining the thought of me working at Roto, however, I would decline any such offer.  But one thing is for sure, if I did work at Roto I'd make sure you do more than get me my coffee, fax my paperwork and book my appointments.  I may even let you operate the copy machine.  

Like I said before, you may hate me now but you will thank me later when you finally open your eyes and see the big picture.  So after Roto reworks the charts and people praise them I will take each of those praises as an inherent thank you pchee2.


 




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pchee2<~~~strokin the ball with cranker revs and spraying the lanes for an average of a buck 62.  This guy is full of STUFF!


Edited on 4/29/2003 11:55 PM

Are you done going back and forth yet?  Can we end this already?  This is really getting stupid and as far as a Roto Grip topic never getting this much talk or views ever...I would rather have some productive discussions with 5-10 replies than this.  The only reason why this has so many is because when people go back and forth like we have they see fight and they want to know what is going on.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You think you are some higher power who should get praise?  GET OVER IT ALREADY!  Do you like have to have the last word or something?  Is your ego getting offended?  You know what don't bother answering any of those questions.  We all know your stupid comments trying to put me down are nothing but you trying to make your self feel better for whatever issues you have with yourself.  I am allowed to be defensive because your being rude.  I come on here to offer advise and give people the inside track on new products and questions about current ones.  Not to argue with you.  By the way I never offered you a job and wouldn't ever offer you one.  You are talking about MY comprehension skills...I was being sarcastic seeing as how you seem to know it all.  One last thing about the top of your last post.  In regards to what I said about instead of trying to stir up all this trouble why didn't you just call me and talk to me over the phone instead of MAKING THIS A BIG DEAL.  Why...because of respect!  Because anyone in customer service will tell you that when dealing with customers who are nice, calm, and considerate we handle and react a lot better to that.  If you call me up screaming or approach the situation THE WAY YOU DID...then guess what I have and won't do anything based on what you say.  Maybe from what I have been told by from other people but your comments mean nothing.  I have read and listend and evaluated everything said in this topic EXCEPT yours.  Because it always follows with some more rude comments.  END THIS ALREADY....

Thanks,
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Roger Noordhoek
Technical & Customer
Services Manager
Roto Grip, Inc.