Author Topic: Pro-Pin/Pro CG (Read 8586 times)

Urameshii6 · « **on:** May 01, 2008, 04:57:19 PM »

Hey, is there anyone out there that can give me the lowdown on Pro-Pin and Pro CG bowling balls? I hear from some that there's nothing wrong with them, I hear from others that they're junk, and then I hear from some others that they're better than the "first-quality" balls on the market. Can anyone, especially someone from Storm/Roto-Grip (I mostly see Pro-Pin/CG stuff from those two), help me with this?

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2008, 02:25:29 PM »

They are cheaper. because of the longer pin placements or out of line cg's. Depending on the layout you want to use, these can work just fine or they can be a nightmare. I purchased a "pro cg" attitude shift... had the cg out of line to the right about 2". luckily I had a lower top weight, so was able to use my desired layout (this case, 4X4 with 2.5" buffer) and still was able to make the ball legal with a weight hole. Sure the hole was a little larger than it might have been otherwise, but it wasn't a big issue. The ball rolled fine and I saved about $50 off the price of a regular.

If by chance I would have received a different ball with "more out of line" specs and a higher top weight, it would have been difficult, maybe impossible to use that particular layout and still make the ball legal. In that case, I had a back up plan to sell it to a lefty locally. If you can request specs (at least within a range), then there are no problems. If you can't, then its sort of a gamble. The roll, hit, performance of the ball will be fine, you just might be limited on the particular layouts you can use.

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Monster Pike · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2008, 02:50:40 PM »

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I find a Pro-CG ball to be perfectly fine. I have a more or less Pro CG Storm Paradigm Passion, and I love that thing to death. It needed a weight hole the size of Rhode Island to make it legal, but it rolls smoother than pie. And pie is pretty smooth. Here's a pic: http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/n00dlejester/100_1152.jpg

As for pro-pin, if CGNOMADDAH then who cares? Put the weight hole on the P2 of this chart: http://www.morichbowling.com/MosCorner/GradientLineBalanceHole/GradientLineBalanceHole.htm
You'll need that instrument to find a symmetric ball's PSA, but it may be worth it to save a few bucks. Who knows, right?

I also have a Pro-CG X-Factor Perfecta. Mine is opposite of yours noodle. Mine has the CG left of the Pin-MB line, therefore I didn't need a weight hole at all. There is nothing wrong with that ball & hooks pretty good. The only thing I would say I don't like about the ball really has nothing to do w/the fact it's a Pro CG ball. It's that the cover stock takes a beating by the ball return. Several nicks & scratches on it compared to my other equipment.
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Bowler19525 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2008, 02:56:10 PM »

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Hey, is there anyone out there that can give me the lowdown on Pro-Pin and Pro CG bowling balls? I hear from some that there's nothing wrong with them, I hear from others that they're junk, and then I hear from some others that they're better than the "first-quality" balls on the market. Can anyone, especially someone from Storm/Roto-Grip (I mostly see Pro-Pin/CG stuff from those two), help me with this?

Just ask yourself the most important question of all.

Why do they sell these balls cheaper than a 1st quality ball?

Answer; Because they are not 1st quality and therefore the manufacturer cannot get 1st quality dollars for them. If they were as good as 1st quality, the price would be the same as 1st quality. There is something wrong with the ball that did not pass quality control.
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So Roto-Grip is flat-out lying when they state on their own website that the Pro-CG and Pro-Pin balls are 1st quality? I highly doubt they would do that. If they were not 1st quality Roto-Grip would not hesitate to put X's all over them.

The Pro-CG balls can only be drilled reliably in a few specific ways. Roto-Grip provides 3 layouts for a CG left and 3 layouts for a CG right. The layouts they provide offer common reactions that most bowlers would want. The instructions are straight forward and should be easily understood by any competent ball driller. I can see where trying to drill the ball with a layout other than what is recommended in the instructions could cause trouble. Stick with the layouts on the sheet, and you will be fine...right or left handed.

The proper question that should be asked is, "Am I willing to pay less for a 1st quality ball with a little less drilling flexibility?" If you answer yes, then go for a Pro-CG. Otherwise, buy the other 1st quality alternative.

I would certainly rather have a Pro-CG ball than a standard ball with a 0-1" pin. As far as I am concerned, any ball with a 0-1" pin should be considered a blem.

Mustang Guy · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2008, 04:43:18 PM »

Woaa!

Lots of things being said here and I know we have touched on this subject many times. Please forgive me if I say something different from what I have said before.

Manufacturing states that Pro Pin & Pro CG balls are first quality and not a blem. Yes we tag different names on to our many versions of blems and we do that for a number of reasons, but mainly for our customers.

1. A ball with a Pin 12 1/2" from the CG or a miss marked CG is truly a mistake and labeled as such. Anything internally wrong with this part is deemed as a BLEM.

2. A ball with anything cosmetically wrong is called an X-COMP. It must also have 2-4" pin or 2-4 oz top weight. If it is the wrong color, but a 0-1" pin we mark that as a BLEM. X-comps are sold for much higher dollars or balls that are given out at special tournaments, pro shop operators, amateurs, or even the employees here at Storm.

3. Pro Line balls are, in our opinion, and mine, first quality. They are not blems, but they are sold at a lower price due to the fact that they fall outside our 1st quality criteria.

If someone wants to say it is just a blem than please do. I'm not here to argue with anyone about that. This is just our stance on the subject.

We have manufacturing standards and that is why we label these balls differently. We felt that due to certain designs we are going to have balls where the Pin, CG, & MB do not line up every time.

It is a crap shoot though as someone said earlier. If you are LH or RH you could get a ball that your driller is going to have a tough time to lay out for you.

These balls can work great as someone else said earlier who has a Pro-CG Cell. Just remember...buyer beware. I have had many, many people call me and ask me what a Pro-CG OR Pro Pin is. I explained that if they didn't know I wouldn't suggest buying it and have recommended that those people purchase the higher priced, regular 1st quality bowling balls.
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Author Topic: Pro-Pin/Pro CG (Read 8586 times)

Urameshii6

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