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HamPster

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RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« on: November 21, 2005, 10:34:40 PM »
Ok, so at least it was half as good as I wanted it to be, so I guess I'll settle for it.  I wanted a ball that reacted like my original X-Factor, but stronger.  So I figured that a particle pearl with a lower rg and higher differential with the same drilling would work.  Nope.  The RSP is a good step below my X-Factor in everything (even leaving it at box surface).  Total hook, midlane, and backend.  RSP is very smooth, and hooks very little.  Pin is above the bridge, and the cg is about 2.5 inches right of my grip midline.  7/8ths weighthole drilled 2 inches deep is about 2 inches straight right of where the mass bias marker would be.  

The lanes I bowled on were a little oily, but my X-Factor still read the mids and backends (albeit very little) while my RSP just rolled and didn't do a thing.  The fit was a little off, so it was a game or two before I started throwing it well.  Still didn't hook much at all though.  Lots of buckets, washouts (even on bad shots I still hit the headpin, I haven't blown through a breakpoint in years), and even a 5-7-10.  All the ball really did was burn my mids.  Move left, and it's skating.  

However . .  When it hooks, it rolls up to the pocket.  No hook/set, no roll out.  It ROLLS exactly like I hoped it would.  A couple games later the lanes started to burn more, so although I was throwing it slow, I was able to throw it smoothly, and the reaction was beautiful.  It only went high when I pulled it (never read the pattern too early), and it was a nice, smooth, predictable arc on the backend.  Had a couple games where all I left were 10 pins and a couple solid 7's.  I know it wasn't too much ball for the lanes, because the drier they got and the jumpier my X got, the stronger the RSP got.  I put a little polish on it, and all that really did was make the backend just the slightest bit stronger.  

All in all, aside from the lilly and the myriad of flat 10's, the ball hits really well.  On light hits it was really throwing the pins around.  I had a couple messengers and deck sweepers.  I'm just really disappointed in the hook potential.  I needed something that reacted just like it to use until the lanes burned enough to allow my X to pick up a little earlier (have a problem with 10's until the track wears a little).  However, I think it'll allow me to throw a little slower and smoother than my X will without being jumpy like my X is.  The RSP would absolutely kill a spotty shot, and it was once my mids and backends started burning.  My X would hook a bit, skid a bit, jump a little, and skid some more, but the RSP was smooth and strong the whole way down the lane.  The house I bowl at tonight has heavy oil, but strong backends, so hopefully I'll be able to use it tonight.  It's less sensitive than my X, so if I swing it just a bit, I ought to be able to stay in about the same spot all night.  

I think I'm going to like it, and with the way it reacts, it'll stay in the bag at all times, but it's not what I was looking for at all.  I might have to get another one and drill it stronger, but hopefully the reaction shape will stay the same.
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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2005, 07:35:08 AM »
I am very suspicious of the results you got. I mean, I wonder how.

It sounds like you either sanded the X-Factor, a LOT, or the RS-P was far too rough a surface for the oil pattern and burned itself out in the mids. It sounds like, but ... In stock finish, you have a polished resin pearl, from 3 years ago, vs a sanded particle pearl with as low or lower an RG and at least as much of an RG Differential. The asymmetric core of the X-factor wouldn't allow it to read the mids or the backends any better; it would just flip a little more. But you have the experience to insure both surfaces are the same; so, I just don't get it.



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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2005, 08:36:49 AM »
I wonder if HamPster is experiencing the ball burning up.  The fact that you said that the lanes were a "little" oily makes me think that the ball is burning up.  That is the only logical explanation that I can think of that would make an X-factor hook more than the the RS-P.  You are gonna need some oil for this piece.  This isn't going to be a huge hooker on every condition, it wasn't meant for that, but when there is enough oil.  WATCH OUT.  If you wanted something like that you shoulda went with the RS-X or RS-1.

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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2005, 04:19:52 PM »
Actually, what I meant was that the lanes were pretty oily, and the left lane was the slicker of the two, and had no backend.  Whenever I drill a new ball, I'll always throw one I'm familiar with first so I can make a more accurate read of the new ball.  The X-Factor isn't too strong in the mids, it starts reading a little late, but pulls up very strong on the backends (needs some dry to start moving).  So when I threw some shots, and the ball wasn't moving very hard or very much, I was sure the RSP was going to.  It moved quite a bit less than the X, didn't even pick up at all the first couple shots I threw.  

The X is at about 1200-1500 grit polish.  I left the RSP in box to test it out.  I know it's hard to make that kind of comparison, but like I said, I wanted a similar reaction with an earlier move than the X.  I did polish it to the same grit as the X a couple games later, and it didn't really make it any stronger or weaker.  I'll definitely be able to tell if it needs more oil tonight, because the house I'm bowling at has heavy head oil, and very little buff area.  EVERYTHING skids nicely through the heads and most of the mids before revving up and making the backend move.  

Yes, I do really like the ball.  For some reason though, I can't really see that it's burning up, because when it started reading the lane and reacting, it was acting pretty strong.  Every ball leaves flat 10's, my X does, so that doesn't really concern me.  I didn't expect the backend to be strong either, but I DID expect the midlane move to be stronger.  What I'm saying is that when it started reacting, it was clear it hadn't been burning any energy yet.  I'm impressed at how well it carries mixers, and I didn't leave any 8's or 9's, which are pretty common at that house.  Maybe it needs to develop a little bit of a track yet?  

The only similar ball I had did the same thing.  I had an X-Factor Reloaded drilled exactly the same way, I was going to polish it up and use it as a replacement for my original X.  Whether there was oil or not, it just didn't hook.  My PAP, btw, is 5 3/4ths over and 3/4ths up.  I have a high track, but it's not unusual by any means.  It runs about an inch from my middle fingerhole, and about a half inch to 3/4ths an inch from my thumb.  I had all kinds of surfaces on the Reloaded, and used it on all kinds of conditions.  I eventually redrilled it stacked, and it hooked more, but still never really did anything.  I've had quite a few particle balls and particle pearls, and all but these two have reacted pretty strongly.  I'll see what happens tonight, thanks for the replies.
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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2005, 04:43:20 AM »
I concur with Ryan on 3 counts.

1. I'm not sure the layout you have in the ball is what you wanted.
2. I also agree that Pearl Praticles might not be your cup of tea.
3. You probably will have better performance out of the RSX
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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2005, 05:15:52 AM »
Hammy, what is your ball speed ?!

I agree w/ Ryan here too.......

I'm suspicious of low rg / high flare balls not really matching up with you. I have never heard of anyone having problems w/ any RS line ball hooking. I had an RS1 at 4 1/2 x 3 1/2 that was a monster! ....and I don't have any hand!
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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2005, 06:00:24 AM »
I am having similar results with mine..
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=104786&ForumID=77&CategoryID=2
I'll prolly try polishing mine tonight just for shiats & giggles but I'm pretty sure mine isn't burning up either. I've tried it on heavier conditions and a 3:1 ratio sport shot and it just didn't wan't to pick up in the mids at all.
Maybe I can get a vid tonight after my sport shot league.

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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2005, 07:51:13 AM »
Actually, I mainly stick with lower rg higher flare balls.  Both Super Charges I had were INCREDIBLE (albeit reactive as opposed to particle), and the rg was 2.46 and they both flared like crazy (both were also stacked with a flare increasing weighthole).  I usually stick to master line stuff with rgs around 2.52 and flare potentials of over 5".  

Particle pearls usually work for me.  My El Nino 2000 was excellent, my Trauma Recovery was a little weaker than I expected it to be, but it still hooked a decent amount and I had some of my higher sets with it.  Both my Eraser Blaze and Boost were outstanding.  I think I'm going to have to have that SSSE, your video (I'm pretty sure it was yours, Ryan) made it look incredible.  I might just get another RSP and drill it stronger too, because I love the way it reacts.

BTW, update from last night.  I shot 739 at the house with the oil and strong backends (that happens to be my high set of the year so far), and 601 at the house I hate.  I had 536 going into the last game first set, all I left were 3 10's in the first two games (and a 7 pin on a fill ball on the first game).  Last game when the track started burning, I had to move left and was getting too much skid, but I must have gotten tighter with my shot too, because after I blew my chance for 800, and then blew my chance for a halfway decent set (for what I had going in, anyway), I stepped up and threw 3 great shots in the 10th, and all reacted perfectly.  The ball is going to destroy that house.  Carried very very well, the 10's were all my fault.  Came too far around one, and tugged the other two big time.  It was carrying all my mixers, kicking out 10's, sending messengers, you name it.  

Other house just sucks.  One lane was a little strong, and the other had absolutely no backend.  Other than the lefty on the pair, I had the high set with 601.  We're talking scratch bowlers too, all of which average over 215, and a couple of which used to bowl for KU a couple years ago.  If the flooded lane would have reacted like the strong lane, all I would have left all night would have been 10's.  601 is a good night for me at that house when both the lanes are playing the same, so I'll take that as a good sign.  The ball is polished, and although it still isn't hooking as much as I'd like, I think I actually like it better this way.  Not near as sensitive as my X, smoother and stronger on the backend, definitely carries better.  Taking the ball as it is, it's excellent, and I'm pretty sure I'll get another one and drill it stronger, probably stacked.  Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it.
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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2005, 10:27:22 AM »
Wow i had to polish my rsp to calm it down, in box on fresh medium/heavy shot the ball moved 8 boards left after the 1st shot and still came in high flush. It does not hook alot upfront but when it hits the mids and backends it does not quit, mine is drilled pin near midline under ring finger and cg out at 30 degrees close to 4 1/2 x 2. Which you think would be early roll but that is not what i get reaction wise, i get a super strong mid and backend reaction even out of the box now the ball is polished to hold it an extra couple of feet longer. Mine has the rs-1 backend but still can be used on heavier mediums with no problem.

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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2005, 09:03:41 PM »
Yeah, they're drilled the same way.  But as I've said a couple times at least, the RSP is now polished to match the X (I polished it the night I drilled it, and it was polished when I bowled league last night).  It defines the backend a little more, but doesn't improve either the midlane or backend reaction.  Both are at 1200-1500 grit polish.  Pin on the X is just a little shorter than the RSP, but it's still 3-3.5.
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Re: RSP - I like it, kinda . . ?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2005, 07:56:00 AM »
I was thinking it would be . .  I bowl with a guy that got one a couple weeks ago, and he has NO hand at all and still gets a great reaction.  His is drilled stronger though.  I know it's a weak drilling, but I didn't think it was THAT weak.  I had Raging Reds (3) all drilled like that, and they were unreal.  I know, bad comparison, but you get my point I hope . .
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