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Tommy716

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Looks like Storm needs to remake the Idol and Uproar bowling balls instead of  the Gem

 

northface28

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2022, 03:24:47 PM »
I’m not in the business of second guessing all time greats. Norm was able to jam that Gem in the track all week. It just ran out of gas on the show today.
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Bowler19525

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2022, 03:42:21 PM »
Pretty much illustrates it is the bowler, not the ball.  The USBC is approving 300 new balls per year, which is just ridiculous. 

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2022, 05:47:57 PM »
Pretty much illustrates it is the bowler, not the ball.  The USBC is approving 300 new balls per year, which is just ridiculous.
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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2022, 05:53:07 PM »

Looks like Storm needs to remake the Idol and Uproar bowling balls instead of  the Gem

Thing you have to understand is that the USBC Masters is a USBC event, not a PBA event.  So bowlers probably arent quite as limited as to what they can use.  HOWEVER, when the USBC bans half the current lineup after the even already started; then what else are they supposed to use?  Tour players do not get paid to push low end equipment either.  So even though balls like the Hypeds and Burners were still available, the tour players are not punching those up.  Every once in a while we would see a Hustle PBR show up.  But that ball was much stronger than advertised at that price point.  Fact of the matter is that what we saw today was a byproduct of USBCs awful decision to ban almost the entire high end lineup after the event had already started. 
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Bowler19525

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2022, 06:38:23 PM »
Pretty much illustrates it is the bowler, not the ball.  The USBC is approving 300 new balls per year, which is just ridiculous.
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Why is it ridiculous?

There is no real innovation in bowling balls.  300 new balls per year just shows the manufacturers are flooding the market with recycled products being sold under a different name and color.  It is unnecessary. 

Tommy716

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2022, 06:45:18 PM »
Is this a Covid  issue from  manufactures of materials

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2022, 06:50:34 PM »
Pretty much illustrates it is the bowler, not the ball.  The USBC is approving 300 new balls per year, which is just ridiculous.
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Why is it ridiculous?

There is no real innovation in bowling balls.  300 new balls per year just shows the manufacturers are flooding the market with recycled products being sold under a different name and color.  It is unnecessary.

Ok so that means your against the open market? Why is it unnecessary are any of the costs coming out of your wallet? And I take it your a chemist that you are so aware of no improvements or upgrades to the current product line. I know everyone on here thinks they are a genius but you by far are the above all others
 

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2022, 08:18:18 PM »
Pretty much illustrates it is the bowler, not the ball.  The USBC is approving 300 new balls per year, which is just ridiculous.
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Why is it ridiculous?

There is no real innovation in bowling balls.  300 new balls per year just shows the manufacturers are flooding the market with recycled products being sold under a different name and color.  It is unnecessary.

Ok so that means your against the open market? Why is it unnecessary are any of the costs coming out of your wallet? And I take it your a chemist that you are so aware of no improvements or upgrades to the current product line. I know everyone on here thinks they are a genius but you by far are the above all others
 

Not sure why you are so triggered over someone expressing an opinion.  The USBC puts limits on the dynamic aspects of bowling equipment including the oil absorption limits of bowling balls.  The manufacturers work really hard to convince you that they are making ground breaking advancements in technology.  That is all marketing, but apparently you are too easily influenced by their marketing departments.  You are the type of gullible customer they love.
 

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2022, 08:29:22 PM »
Pretty much illustrates it is the bowler, not the ball.  The USBC is approving 300 new balls per year, which is just ridiculous.
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Why is it ridiculous?

There is no real innovation in bowling balls.  300 new balls per year just shows the manufacturers are flooding the market with recycled products being sold under a different name and color.  It is unnecessary.

Ok so that means your against the open market? Why is it unnecessary are any of the costs coming out of your wallet? And I take it your a chemist that you are so aware of no improvements or upgrades to the current product line. I know everyone on here thinks they are a genius but you by far are the above all others
 

Not sure why you are so triggered over someone expressing an opinion.  The USBC puts limits on the dynamic aspects of bowling equipment including the oil absorption limits of bowling balls.  The manufacturers work really hard to convince you that they are making ground breaking advancements in technology.  That is all marketing, but apparently you are too easily influenced by their marketing departments.  You are the type of gullible customer they love.
 




So smart guy wrong again newest ball in my bag is a Phaze ll so I am not as gullible as you want me to be . Do everyone a favor next time you post try to make sense probably a tall task for a third grader but please try
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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2022, 08:58:42 AM »
Wow, remmah!

That was a pretty nasty remark! I too know that there's nothing really new under the sun when it comes to bowling balls hitting the market. I agree with Bowler19525.

Bowling on TV and bowling during match-play, while trying to make the cut are two completely different animals. Because of the hot lights needed for the cameras and all the extended commercial breaks taken.....lane conditions can change in the blink of an eye. So the fact that Norm didn't win with the Gem does not surprise me. He needed a ball with some built in forgiveness.

Simo recognized that fact by actually throwing two different balls. One on each lane. Has nothing to do with how great or how bad the balls are. It has everything to do with the bowler and his awareness of conditions and how they transition.
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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2022, 11:00:32 AM »
We cannot blame the ball choice for the reason he lost.  We all know under the lights the oil transitions differently and faster than during qualifying and match play.  Norm actually had a really good look after he adjusted from the shot in the first frame.  My thought is that Anthony being inside him pushed oil into Norm's breakpoint area which caused the bad reaction down lane in the latter frames.  Then, Norm just threw one bad shot in the 9th that went through the nose.  Had he thrown a good shot there; he is looking at 240s which would have locked Simonsen out.  That pattern they laid down forced premium shot making.  There was not going to be a ball that was going to be forgiving. If you watch closely to that show, everyone threw smooth/continuous reacting equipment (IQ Tour, Idol, Gem, Jackal Ghost) except for Maldonado (Widow Ghost) and his look was terrible as a result. Anthony got lucky as he had to make a big split in the 8th to get passed Brad Miller.  He misses that split he loses and Brad is bowling Norm for the title.  I think Norm beats Brad because Brad struggled with his reaction and only shot 185 against Simonsen.   
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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2022, 11:44:35 AM »
New colors, core names, and marketing, but the product hasn't changed. 
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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2022, 02:31:35 PM »
Transitions are tough on any flat pattern but are often the trickiest on medium length 40 ft+/-. It looked like the pattern started to settle down after the first game.  Later it e as harder and straighter as the best options.  Smooth rolly equipment from any vintage is preferable to any latest greatest ball

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Re: Strange that discontinue balls win the Master over the Gem ball
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2022, 02:40:17 PM »
Transitions are tough on any flat pattern but are often the trickiest on medium length 40 ft+/-. It looked like the pattern started to settle down after the first game.  Later it e as harder and straighter as the best options.  Smooth rolly equipment from any vintage is preferable to any latest greatest ball

37-40 ft transitions are very tough because you’re usually jumping zones moving into flatter areas the further you migrate in. It’s extremely difficult.
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