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toomanytenpins

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strongest layout for odyssey
« on: November 11, 2007, 06:00:51 AM »
I have a 16 pound odyssey drilled with the pin uder bridge .Its a pro cg ball and its ok just not strong enough for the heavier stuff,even at 500 grit.
    So I just won a 15 pounder and i am wondering if there is ,or whats a stronger set up to use for heavier longer patterns. I throw about 14 mph in the oil,Less friction more speed.Right now i am playing across the 5 board with my feet on the 12 board . I dont know what the shot is but i am getting to the pocket just not carrying at all. I am a low rev  high track bowler . My pap is 4.5x0.
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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2007, 04:45:03 PM »
Trade it for a quest or resurgence, if the other will not work this one will never cut i either.
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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2007, 10:41:42 PM »
i have seen the resurgence and it really doesnt impress me at all in fact i have thrown it and there is no way i would even consider it. as for the quest i have heard mixed reviews and there is really no telling if it is any stronger a ball from what i have read.
   I was just hoping the lighter weight might be easier for me to control and with a stronger drill i might be able to maximize its potential If i am wrong i will drill it identical to this one and take it to 4000 for drier lanes or maybe pin up for more backend.
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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2007, 01:26:52 AM »
What is the pin to PAP distance and where is the MB?? These will be a huge determining factor.  Also remember that the odyssey is a very strong ball and it needs oil.  IF you are on a house shot and crossing 5, I would say that in 90% of THS your in the dirt. And if that is the case at your house you need to try to migrate left in search of a higher volume of oil.  

Before I knew how to tackle patterns properly I veered away from the epic line.  I bought an original epic and it hardly worked, and I even had an SD-73 that would finish for me.  I sold both...HUGE mistake!! Its only know that I have learned to see when the ball is burning up and what changes to make to fix it have I seen the power in these balls.  I have the Saga and quest...the saga is my go to piece no matter what the shot..still need oil.  And the Quest, I will probabally only see enough oil for it 7-8 times a year. But still a great ball.

Hope that helped some,
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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2007, 10:51:10 AM »
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What is the pin to PAP distance and where is the MB?? These will be a huge determining factor.  


Pin under the bridge means nothing.  Do you know your PAP?  I hope you have a good pro shop guy to go to.  If so, please visit him and see if he can help you with the proper layout.  

With that said, you are a low rev, med speed player....according to your profile anyway.  So, heavy oil is always gonna give you trouble.  I would probably drill something like a revs leverage layout...ie 3 3/8 from the axis, with a very low pin, with a 45* mb placement.  If the mb gets near the thumb it will want to flip over on the back instead of pick up a roll and continue thru the pin decks.

Assuming you have heavy oil and clean backends, I like to use a solid resin with a touch of polish and a high flare layout.  It won't read the fronts at all and will pop on the backend.

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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 05:56:35 PM »
my pap is 4 and 5/8x1/2. the layout is 5 .5 inches from my pap and 1.5 inches above grip centre
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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 06:26:39 PM »
Ahh ther enlies your problem.  With being a low rev player that 5.5 pin to PAP distance is too far.  I would go with either the C or D drillings(4" or 3" pin to pap) Beware of the 3" pin drilling.  The ball wirh ROLL really heavy. I know you are saying this is what you are looking for but I put it on a saga and it was ugly!! Barely could use it. And put the MB strong, it says the reaction will be angular but if you keep the cover in box that won't really happen.  Let us know what you do and how it works out for you.

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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2007, 10:31:40 PM »
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my pap is 4 and 5/8x1/2. the layout is 5 .5 inches from my pap and 1.5 inches above grip centre
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If the pin is under your bridge and your axis point is 4 5/8 -> x 1/2 ^ then pin under bridge is not 5 1/2" to your PAP.  More like 4" or 4 1/4" which is a strong pin position.  Sounds like your pro shop guy knew what he was doing for what you wanted the ball to do, you're just not on the type of condition to get the most out of the ball.
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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 10:33:11 PM »
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Ahh ther enlies your problem.  With being a low rev player that 5.5 pin to PAP distance is too far.  I would go with either the C or D drillings(4" or 3" pin to pap) Beware of the 3" pin drilling.  The ball wirh ROLL really heavy. I know you are saying this is what you are looking for but I put it on a saga and it was ugly!! Barely could use it. And put the MB strong, it says the reaction will be angular but if you keep the cover in box that won't really happen.  Let us know what you do and how it works out for you.

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Agreed, low rev and low flare translates to making a ball a DART!!

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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2007, 11:30:23 PM »
Toomanytenpins are you sure of your PAP?  You said

 
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My pap is 4.5x0.
 


Then,

 
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my pap is 4 and 5/8x1/2


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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2007, 08:56:57 PM »
yeah i am sure .I have made some changes in my game and my pap changed.the new pap is what i am having the new ball drilled with
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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2007, 10:17:30 PM »
Well keep the pin at most 4" for your PAP and you should see a much stronger reaction.
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toomanytenpins

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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2007, 10:36:38 PM »
pin is 4 inches which put it under my ring finger and it is stronger
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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2007, 03:51:24 AM »
My PAP is somewhat close to yours, its 4 5/16 X 1/2 up and we have close to the same ball speeds (mines usually around 15).  I typically keep my pin low (under ring, maybe to right a little) and its between 3 3/4 - 4 pin to PAP distance depending on which ball I am using (same type layout on 4 balls).  With the CG/MB I usually have it a bit past 45-50* either in between the B/C placement on the drilling sheet or closer to C.  If I put it directly or almost directly below the pin in the B placement area (strong) its a bit too angular/erratic for me off the break point and I have a hard time controlling it (I think I have more hand than you though).  With it closer to my VAL it still reads the lanes early (which is more predictable for me in heavier volumes of oil) it also reacts smoother and more arcy off the break which IMO is more forgiving (I've had better luck with this on sport shots).  

With this said, you say you are a low rev player.  The overall hook may be a bit less with the CG/MB kicked out like that compared to the strong position layout so that might hurt you if you are having trouble covering boards. But as far as getting the ball into a roll goes I like having my balls layed out like this better (especially for heavier volumes of oil).

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Also..  I have a C300 Full Throttle which is comparable to the Odyssey very closely in RG/diff. and cover (RG: 2.484, Diff: 0.050, but cover is around 800 box instead of 2000 - both reactive).  This ball has the same layout, but with about 1-1/4 farther pin distance to PAP than what I listed above (close to 5). The pin is above bridge and MB within about 1 1/2" of my Val.  The ball acted like it wanted to rev early but skidded more than it got into a roll and when it turned the corner there wasn't much there and I always left alot of weak 10s.  I also had to play farther right in the oil to get it started and when the lanes did dry out because it was such an aggressive ball it had a tendancy to burn up if I got it in the dry too soon.  It was very over/under.  Getting up to around 5 Pin to PAP is just to far.

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Re: strongest layout for odyssey
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2007, 04:06:04 AM »
I like the idea of stronger pin positions like 3 3/8 for low rev players on heavy oil.

And to go even earlier Agroves suggestion of Revs leverage is a great one.

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