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bowlingmytmouse

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The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« on: September 04, 2006, 12:03:39 PM »
Dear fellow members of the RG community,
I had the chance this past weekend to bowl at a sport shot tournament. 39 foot pattern. 2:1 ratio. I struggled horribly. I had a decent look deep inside with my venus (punched 2 1/2 x 1 1/2).  I'll post some pics and a review later. But after this week I have come to the conclusion that I must end my exclusivity to Roto Grip solely for sport shot tournaments. Don't get me wrong, I still love RG with a passion but there are some heavy shots where the lack of aggressive COVERSTOCKS within the RG line. I know all about the epic line and their strong cores. But how does their coverstocks match up to those of Brunswick and Morich high end pieces. Not even comparable in my mind. I need a piece that is gonna let me open up the lanes on tough shots. I don't mean a ball that will let me go coast to coast, but rather help me blow a hole in the condition just a tad.

Having stated that I will be buying an Absoloute Inferno and a Vapor zone to get the big covers that I am looking for. Does/Has anyone noticed the hole in RG's lineup? I mean on THS and patterns shorter than 37 feet, its money but when the shot is flat....I can't get the read that I am looking for.

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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 08:09:01 PM »
...then I don't think that the Absolute and Vapor will be what you are looking for.  For most people, those are most definitely NOT for heavy oil, nor will they work on long patterns.  Granted, I have found that coverstock to be strong, but I thing the Scorchin' or something of that nature is more what you should be looking at.
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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 08:15:25 PM »
Yes I agree...I don't think the Absolute or Vapor would be good choices at all for what you want your equipment to do.  I think you'd find these two would match up better to the Medium Oil, Medium length patterns you were speaking of.

If you want to go Brunswick for heavy oil...look at the Ultimate Inferno (if you can find one) or the Scorchin'.
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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2006, 08:27:06 PM »
Pardon me, I should not have said heavy oil. Its truely medium, but I need a ball that is going to be able to give me a good midlane read on a flat pattern. I don't want to go as high as the Scorchin'because that will give me all the read in the midlane, I still want some pop on the backend. And I hate Morich, they have destroyed more shots for me than any bowling ball in history. I shutter everytime I see a WOMB.  UGGGHHH that realase date was horrible on my game. LOL

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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2006, 08:27:31 PM »
Did you ever try the original Oracle? That ball will blow holes through armor. In all honesty, if I am bowling on a long/heavy pattern, I am not looking to score numbers on the first few games. I will let everyone else shoot 150s and "blow holes" through the pattern while I shoot my spared 180s-190s. Also, on a 39' pattern I am surprised that you had your best look with your Venus from deep inside. Did you not try a Battle first?
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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2006, 08:34:18 PM »
Matt,
Yes I have tried the Oracle many of times and have had some success, but the look that it gave me was squiggly partially the way I have it drilled, Label there is a pic in my profile. I was surprised @ the venus as well, but with that layout I put on it, its a monster. But most bowlers that had success were able to play outside with Infernos and Awesome hooks. I'm not saying that RG can't work on these shots, it just doesn't match up well with me.
Oh I haven't had the chance to pic up the Battle yet I have punched the Epic and have a Saga to drill, but I haven't had the chance just yet for the Battle.

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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2006, 08:54:43 PM »
Looking through your pics, it looks to me like you don't have a single ball with the MB drilled in a strong position (except for your weak balls.....Sonic X, Sonic Pearl, Silver Streak Pearl). The few balls that you do have drilled "stronger" also has the MB placed in your track which will kill the backend roll. The only ball that would come close to working on longer/heavier patterns is your RSP, but you have the pin drilled so weak that it would never really get turned over on a longer shot. If I were you, I would start paying attention to the layouts that other people are using than the particular ball if you feel like you are getting shut out at tournaments.

Considering reactions, IMO the Infernos = Horizon/Original Epic, and the WOMB = Battle, but not with the great carry that comes with the RG logo!
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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2006, 08:57:55 PM »
I would have to agree with Mat.  If bowling a lot of sport condition tournaments......I'd go thru your arsenal and re-work them.  That is precisely what I am doing this month.
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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2006, 09:12:53 PM »
if you dont like the battle i think the passion at oob would be a good choice
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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2006, 09:33:50 PM »
i looked at all of your balls with the drillings it is no wonder you cant get anything to cut thru a flat pattern everything you have is drilled to roll late and on a flat pattern you need something to rev early if you want to cut a hole in the pattern.  My roto epic is stronger thanany of my brunswicks on heavy flat patterns and my epic battle is great for straiter lines on flat patterns with awesome entry angle.  So i disagree with you you need different set ups on your roto balls to get the desired reation on flat patterns for more info pm me.
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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2006, 01:45:06 AM »
Matt,
You make a good point in regards to my layouts. However, after throwing my Epic, I Don't know if I like the idea of putting the MB in the strong position with any of the Epic line. The core is so strong that I get all the action in the first 3/4 of the lane and nothing @ the end. You are probally thinking that this is what I am looking for. And it would be if the cover was a tad stronger, I know there is the battle, but I don't want to always have to throw particle. But we'll see what happens. Thanks for the advice guys its duely noted.

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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2006, 01:53:43 AM »
Need something to blow a hole in a pattern?  Take 200-600 grit wet sand to a ball and there ya go?

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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2006, 02:05:07 AM »
Well if your objection is particle...

Maybe balls in the Vertigo, Total Annhilation, Strike Zone are your cup of tea!

I see these mass bias balls with the solid version of the Vapor and Absolute Inferno coverstock as being stupendous for this type of shot that is typically desirous of having a ball set up with strong midlane (and one can get the backend too).

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS two unsung balls I have seen do very well on PBA type patterns that have length are the V2 POWER(some around) and the Columbia Shock(tough to find).
PPS I am convinced that the strong BAttles could accomplish what you want as they are strong mass bias balls and can be set up to get length and backend too...along with strong midlane needed on these shots.

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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2006, 02:35:50 AM »
The bottom line is that you are not going to find what you are looking for.  No specific ball is going to open up a 2:1 ratio flat pattern like you want it to.  You might as well sand a ball you dont use, and throw it where you want to bounce the ball off of.  And IMO, the Battle is one of the strongest balls on the market.  That cover is very aggressive.  You may want to think about a Saga.  4 1/2" by 5 1/4", with the pin up, and knock the shine off.  I truly believe that is what you will be looking for on this flat pattern.  It will give you a midlane read, with a strong backend motion.
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Re: The horrible day has come....RG I am sorry
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2006, 05:31:27 AM »
I honestly cant imagine any ball stronger than the battle or any ball better suited to long/heavy patterns.

And as others have commented, no matter what the ball, the drilling should suit the ball/pattern.

Ryan

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