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themagician

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Core Influence....
« on: May 26, 2008, 02:47:23 AM »
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but more so I just want to start a different look on the cores.

Storm has used the Reactor Pearl Coverstock on numerous balls, and while they feature the same coverstock, it is incredible how different they are.

I have first hand seen the difference and my buddies and I had this discussion the other day.

Paradigm Domination
Agent
Fired Up
Spit Fire
Thunderstruck Pearl
Street Rod Pearl
Tropical Storm
Hot Rod Super Sport Pearl

And there might be more, but on topic again, the Agent is one of the strongest balls my buddies and I have used, yet the Tropical Storm is very meager in reaction terms.

And these observations were made with box finish (the same on the balls) with similar layouts, thus leaving the core as the only difference.

Just looking for comments, I can get more information but it just befuddles me to see this and here all of this talk of late about the core influence being so minor yet in these balls they have such a radically different reaction shape and total reaction.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2008, 10:54:22 AM »
Nobody is saying that core doesn't have a big part in ball reaction.  What they mean is that you have to match up the coverstock to the lane conditions and your game before you need to worry at all about the core.  For example, if the lanes are pretty wet without much backend, you don't want to have a super strong core wasted in a very weak pearl at 4000 + polish.

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yet the Tropical Storm is very meager in reaction terms.
I bought my mom a Tropical Storm to be her dry lane ball since it sounded like it'd be so weak.  Wrong.  When the backends are clean, it is the definition of skid/snap and out-hooks anything else she has ever thrown, including Attitude Shift, Paradigm, Depth Charge, and the Eraser.
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themagician

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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2008, 10:58:09 AM »
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Nobody is saying that core doesn't have a big part in ball reaction.  What they mean is that you have to match up the coverstock to the lane conditions and your game before you need to worry at all about the core.  For example, if the lanes are pretty wet without much backend, you don't want to have a super strong core wasted in a very weak pearl at 4000 + polish.

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yet the Tropical Storm is very meager in reaction terms.
I bought my mom a Tropical Storm to be her dry lane ball since it sounded like it'd be so weak.  Wrong.  When the backends are clean, it is the definition of skid/snap and out-hooks anything else she has ever thrown, including Attitude Shift, Paradigm, Depth Charge, and the Eraser.



I see what you are saying Dan, my thoughts, and maybe my phrasing weren't the greatest but I can watch guys throw the Agent with a weaker drilling on a much heavier condition with the same surface and then watch them try a Tropical Storm drilled stronger and it just won't come close to hooking as much. And its odd as the Tropical will flare more, but with the same coverstock and surface, it just seem striking to me. I see these estimations though on how much the core matters in the reaction and some of these experiences to me really go against what I've read and heard.


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Dan Belcher

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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2008, 10:59:25 AM »
Yep, and what you're describing is exactly why there are so many different cores.
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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2008, 11:18:13 AM »
RG and differential have a huge impact concerning the overall reaction shape down the lane. Storm's Reactor balls are a good example.

In the Brunswick universe you have the same case with so many PK18 balls - even at present you have the Avalanche Solid and the Copperhead as very different balls with just the same coverstock.

Another impressive difference a core makes are many MoRich balls - I was very impressed by the difference between the S&A and the Absolute Infero. Same cover, but what a difference the strong MB core in the S&A made (the drilling will have an influence, too). Made the AI look pretty tame...
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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2008, 11:45:30 AM »
The other factor to consider is the formulation.Are these covers all the same or a variation on the basic make up of the Reactor formula? This is not to say cores play no part,as I believe they certainly do,but a combination of the two.Lane 1 has managed a variety of looks using one core shape,I know there are variations I'm talking about the basic diamond, and different covers.They have also managed to produce the same look,new THS vs old Teal,using two totally different covers.Covernomattah?

After 9/11 Columbia produced a ball made up of donated BASF and gave the proceeds to 9/11 relief. To everyones surprise the Spirit was a GREAT ball and quickly sold out.I bought two cases for myself and friends.Columbia tried to reproduce the ball but it was not the same.Same cover and core but not the same reaction.I can only believe the formulation could not be matched.
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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2008, 12:14:56 PM »
^^^^

I think someone's on the right track.  Yes the core will make somewhat of a difference, but IMHO there is no way that the core alone explains the amount of difference between the Agent and Tropical Storms...
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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2008, 12:45:23 PM »
After many years and many,many bowling balls,I have come to believe that core shape is almost everything.It is what makes one ball great and another a dud.Of course the coverstock is very important,but without the right core,you will not like the ball!The core is what provides the control of the breakpoint.The core determines the continuation.The core affects the shape of the hook.There have been balls,that no matter what surface prep and layout,I hated.I believe it was because of the shape,size,and density(densities) of the weight block.Then there are those balls that roll sweet,no matter how you drill them.The most recent being the Cell.The layout still matters,but I would rather have a poorly laid out Cell than a great laid out turd!
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Brickguy221

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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2008, 12:57:45 PM »
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After many years and many,many bowling balls,I have come to believe that core shape is almost everything.It is what makes one ball great and another a dud.Of course the coverstock is very important,but without the right core,you will not like the ball!The core is what provides the control of the breakpoint.The core determines the continuation.The core affects the shape of the hook.There have been balls,that no matter what surface prep and layout,I hated.I believe it was because of the shape,size,and density(densities) of the weight block.Then there are those balls that roll sweet,no matter how you drill them.The most recent being the Cell.The layout still matters,but I would rather have a poorly laid out Cell than a great laid out turd


AAH....here's someone that sees it like I do. Pooh, I am in total agreement with you here.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2008, 05:44:31 PM »
Hmm I think the core is pretty important.
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Re: Core Influence....
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2008, 05:58:22 PM »
I've posted this earlier this month in another forum, but the FE2-cored balls (i.e., the Thunder series and all its derivatives) have their own look that transcends coverstock to some degree or another.

The original Thunder was Curelyon, the Dark Thunder series is Monsoon and the Thunderstruck series is Reactor. Yet, I can clearly see some characteristics of that core staying the same in each coverstock. Those characteristics manifest itself during the last 5-10 before the breakpoint and then at the breakpoint itself.

Coverstock is the biggest factor but core is more important than some want to give it credit for.

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