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trushj

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Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« on: February 08, 2010, 01:47:49 AM »
I'm hoping someone might be able to give me a recommendation on what I can do to stop this ball from burning up too early.

I had it drilled up last night, and can't for the life of me keep it consistent. Well, I take that back... I can consistently get it to burn up early and die, hitting around the 3 and 6 pin.  

I was reading the thread "Invasion Not What I Expected", and what was being talked about (before the thread got nasty) was maybe a bit of polish? Or take the surface down? Right now it's at the out-of-box condition.

I'm not sure what drilling layout my Pro-Shop guy used (just guessing by the Storm spec sheet, 4x4x3), but if anyone can help, here are a couple pictures on how it's drilled.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l191/TrushJ/bowlingballs/IMG_0008.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l191/TrushJ/bowlingballs/IMG_0009.jpg

I appreciate any suggestion. I was hoping to use it tonight at league, but I'm just not sure there'd be enough oil right now.

Thanks!

 

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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 10:00:38 AM »
I don't have an Invasion but from what I've seen on a medium oil house shot, this ball OOB has too much surface. IMO, light polish will do the trick.

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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 10:13:18 AM »
My 2 cents: Throw some polish on it or jump way left. With the pin under like that it will encourage it to get into the roll sooner and burn up faster if it is not oily.  Mine is drilled 5x4x3 putting pin over my bridge. I start out about 5 boards left of where I have been starting. Typically more concerned about it going through the nose vs not making it back. Good Luck

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trushj

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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 10:20:33 AM »
Thanks for the replies so far. As for polish, is there a typical type a pro shop uses, or...?

I can't move any more left at this point without standing on someone else's lane... So, looks like polish may be the route to go.

When I was practicing with it last night, the lanes I used only had 3 games on them - so they were far from dry.

You know, looking back, I have a Full Swing that I thought may have died - but the Invasion is doing the same thing... Kinda wish my Brunswick house would throw some oil out there.

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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 10:35:14 AM »
I personally like Valentino Snake Oil on Storm equipment.

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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 10:41:34 AM »
The ball looks good, I like the colors on yours.  Now, onto business!

Firstly, I would suggest trying to move right.  If you are standing way left, and hitting the 3-6 pocket, my guess is the ball doesn''t have the strength to make a sharper turn towards the 1-3 pocket.  With a drilling like your pics have, the ball will want to hook earlier in the lane, and not later down lane.  

Now, if you''re standing more right and going through the nose or hitting the 7 pin, or perhaps striking on the lane to your left, I would suggest polish.  I would tell your pro-shop operator what kind of reaction you''re getting, tell him what kind of reaction you WANT, and s/he should be able to help you out from there.  

I''m sorry to hear that the Invasion isn''t living up to expectations.  But from the telecasts I''ve seen and the Storm Staffers using this ball, they ALL seem to have polish on them.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes!
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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 10:54:12 AM »
I 2nd the jester.

I've seen several people with this ball in leauge have problem's with pin carry and burning up. Most don't understand why they can't carry the corner pin's or why the ball isn't hooking the entire lane. I try to help some of these people but most are too scared to change the surface because they have this metality that a polished ball won't hook as much as a dull ball. I got 1 guy to give it a try even though he was extremely against having a polished hook monster but once he saw the ball move 8 board's more the before he's now a beleiver.

Polish is the trick here.
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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 11:02:14 AM »
I moved around the lane last night - stood 20, 25, 30, 35, 40 - to see if I could get any consistent reaction. Standing more right, I could almost get it to cross over to go brooklyn, but nowhere near the pocket. It seems as if as soon as it hits dry, it's done - at least in my hands, at the current surface prep.

I usually average 208-210 on a house shot, but these past couple weeks have been... interesting... to say the least.

Part of the reason I bought the Invasion was that my Full Swing was burning up and hitting at the 3 and 6 pin, when I've been used to swinging it out (standing around 35) and having it come back.

I thought it was "dead", but apparently summer/fall shots at my house play different than the winter shot. I'm not sure whether they're putting out a less volume of oil, or just less oil in general.

Again, thanks everyone for their replies and suggestions. I'm willing to give anything a go, at least once...

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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 11:06:54 AM »
quote:

I thought it was "dead", but apparently summer/fall shots at my house play different than the winter shot. I'm not sure whether they're putting out a less volume of oil, or just less oil in general.


Well the summer humidity and temperature's will effect how the lane's play inside. Humidity mainly can cause the lane's to play flatter or longer as well.
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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 11:17:42 AM »
@BrunsMike - Interesting... I didn't think bowling balls/lanes could play that much different with changing seasons/temperatures... But you know, you learn something new every day.

So, if I put some polish on the Invasion - or even the Full Swing - will that get me some of the length back I was getting in the summer? When it was more humid and warmer?

And then in the summer, would I knock the polish off?

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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 11:23:41 AM »
I was told that by a few people when I was younger. The 1 person that sealed the deal was WRWJ when I asked him why my equipment seemed to react later in the summer and that was his response.

As for polishing your Full Swing and Invasion yes that will restore lenght in both peice's and when summer come's instead of bringing the surface back down on both, just do 1 and leave the 2nd ball where it's at currently. Never know when you might run into a heavier oiled day.
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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 11:34:58 AM »
That's an excellent idea BrunsMike! Thank you!

I'll see if I can have my Pro Shop guy polish my Invasion before league tonight, and we'll see what happens.

I'll post back what kind of reaction I got after polishing it.

Again, thanks all for your responses/insights/help!

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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 11:42:27 AM »
Expect the ball to have more snap cause now the polish is allowing the ball to save up energy for the backend. Should be a fun ball now. I'm planning on getting myself one of these once my tax return's get here.
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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 12:03:36 PM »
John Trush? Is that you? Its Courtney Richards, I bowl with you at Deer Park. I can tell you with 100% certainty that ball is burning up and polish wont work even at that house, if indeed its Deer Park we are talking about. I can tell you on the house shot, cleaner covers and/or lower differential balls work well. You can use the "bigger" balls i.e. Invasion if youre a lower rev player, which you arent. Now if you plan to bowl on the PBA expierence shot there, the Invasion would be a great choice.
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Re: Invasion - Burning Up? Not Enough Oil?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 12:28:13 PM »
Wow! Hey Courtney! Yep, it's me. How ya doing today?

Yeah, I was trying it out at Deer Park last nite - which would explain my confusion, and this thread. I was going to do the PBA league this summer - glad to hear the ball will work well for that.

My league's at 3D Bowl in Island Lake tonight - if you're still reading (and familiar with that house), would polishing it maybe get it to work there? Not burn up as quick?

Either way, I may have London polish it up tonight and see what happens. Can't hurt, I suppose.

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