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Gunny

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Opinions From You Storm Guys
« on: November 13, 2006, 07:16:03 AM »
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Jeff Carter

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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2006, 03:38:49 PM »
Dont do it in a mass bias ball !!!
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Gunny

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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2006, 03:57:02 PM »
just curious as to why it shouldnt be done in a
mass bias ball?
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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2006, 04:02:28 PM »
Drilling the MB on the left side of the thumb is drilling it kinda negative (please correct me if im wrong), so the reaction wouldn't be very strong at all, it will be totally smooth.

Correct me on anything im wrong on, because im still learning as well, lol
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just curious as to why it shouldnt be done in a
mass bias ball?

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Jeff Carter

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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2006, 04:09:03 PM »
First of all, most manufacturers are reccommending you not to put the mass bias left of the thumb anymore. The biggest problem is that if your speed and rev rate dont match up, the core will take over and it will invert the flare. We've seen several balls that will flare backwards, flare over all the holes and generally roll bad. I'm not saying that it cant be done, i'm just saying that it isnt reccommended
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Gunny

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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 04:10:47 PM »
i see.  so if i wanted a weak layout, something smooth and not
jumpy what would you suggest?
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shelley

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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2006, 04:12:50 PM »
Is that for asyms in general or just the real strong asyms that are in vogue now?  I hadn't really heard that for most modest asyms like Track's older Morpheus balls (Freak line), pre-Vanguard Morich, and such.

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Jeff Carter

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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2006, 04:54:49 PM »
You can use this layout in mass bias balls, but be prepared that it may not work. The bad side is that most mass bias balls come with a high price tag, which makes it a tough pill to swallow if it doesnt work for you.

You can use medium to long pin placements, and kick the cg left of the pin for smoother, more controlled reactions. The key is putting these layouts in the right ball. The smart thing to do is to start with a particle or pearl particle ball ( like the Pyro ) to do this with. The particle will help blend the reaction out on its own. From there you could use scotch brite to blend it out even more.

For me, i would go 5 1/2 X 6 on the layout ( with no x-tra hole if possible ) in a Pyro or maybe even a T-Struck Pearl. Then I would lightly red-pad the shell to knock the shine off a little
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TECH SUPPORT

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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2006, 06:57:51 AM »
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You can use this layout in mass bias balls, but be prepared that it may not work. The bad side is that most mass bias balls come with a high price tag, which makes it a tough pill to swallow if it doesnt work for you.

You can use medium to long pin placements, and kick the cg left of the pin for smoother, more controlled reactions. The key is putting these layouts in the right ball. The smart thing to do is to start with a particle or pearl particle ball ( like the Pyro ) to do this with. The particle will help blend the reaction out on its own. From there you could use scotch brite to blend it out even more.

For me, i would go 5 1/2 X 6 on the layout ( with no x-tra hole if possible ) in a Pyro or maybe even a T-Struck Pearl. Then I would lightly red-pad the shell to knock the shine off a little
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I would have to agree with jeff on this one. Go with a particle pearl if you are wanting length with controle at the break. I would go pin 4" above midline and cg in a 130* to 155* angle twoards the track depending on how much finish you want on the back. 130* would be moderate while the 155* would give you a hook set reaction while the 4" pin above midline should help give somewhat of a little forward roll. Just my experiences with drilling particle pearls with one of my favorite layouts for dry backends.
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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2006, 08:23:42 PM »
ok well i drilled it with pin above fingers 3 1/4" from PAP
and MB 7 1/2" from PAP, or left of thumb.  ball rolls nice
through heads and midlane, and a hard turn to the pocket.
this ball is a lot stronger than i thought.  does not like
carrydown but jumpy off the dry.  well i wanted something
for dry lanes and this wont do it.  did well on a fresh shot,
until the carrydown, than i was fishin for that dry spot.

overall i liked the drill, i think if i take the polish off
i might like it more.
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Re: Opinions From You Storm Guys
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2006, 06:56:21 AM »
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ok well i drilled it with pin above fingers 3 1/4" from PAP
and MB 7 1/2" from PAP, or left of thumb.  ball rolls nice
through heads and midlane, and a hard turn to the pocket.
this ball is a lot stronger than i thought.  does not like
carrydown but jumpy off the dry.  well i wanted something
for dry lanes and this wont do it.  did well on a fresh shot,
until the carrydown, than i was fishin for that dry spot.

overall i liked the drill, i think if i take the polish off
i might like it more.


gunny you asked for something smooth and not jumpy. This is the layout for that, it is a blend the wet/dry out layout. Now if you need something for dry lanes meaning blown open heads or tubed midlanes then I would suggest a high rg low flareing reactive pearl or ureathane pearl for this with pin high(6" from pap)& mb in the arc position (on your VAL) around 25* if your still wantinging something clean through the front but a bit more finish in the back.
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