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FastTracker33

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Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« on: June 04, 2008, 02:07:20 PM »
Hey guys, a user here offered me a nice price on a Domination, and I was wondering a layout choice for this ball.

My specs are as follows:
PAP: 5 3/8 over by 0 up or down.
Speed: 15-16mph
Revs: Not sure on exact amount, but it's probably around 200-300rpms I also have a good amount of foward roll with just a little bit of side rotation.

I generally like throwing rolly equipment. I hear that Storm equipment is mostly "long and strong", though. Also, I like to use the same layout on my equipment. My symmetric favorite layout is a 4 x 2, pin high. My assymetric favorite layout is 3 1/2 x 4 1/2. For the Domination, I'd like it to have a smooth midlane read, and a nice big pop on the clean backends. I'll probably knock off the polish to a 2000 or 4000 grit, also.

Any suggestions, guys? Any comments on how your personal Domination works?

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JessN16

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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 10:29:55 PM »
Your current specs are similar to what mine were before I quit using a wrist brace (I was about 5 over 0 up).

I always had good luck with two drill patterns on Storm balls:

1) Pin directly over bridge, MB about 1 inch to the right and down from the thumb (about 4 o'clock), or...

2) ...pin about 1:30 to the ring finger 1-1.5 inches up, with the MB in the same spot as above.

The Domination is going to be long/strong and I doubt there's much you can really do to tame it unless you give it a VERY tame drill. Having said that, I believe you'll like it. I've found Storm's strong assyms (X-Factor series, Paradigm series, etc.) to be angular and controllable at the same time. That's hard to do, but Storm has done it.

Of the two drill patterns I gave you, No. 1 is going to give you a little more length and smooth out the transition No. 2 will have an earlier, stronger move but you'll be able to play on heavier oil volumes.

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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 10:43:31 PM »
Jess, thank you for your suggestions! Although, every pearl bowling ball i've ever used, was too over under, or just plain ol' too long with any type of drill pattern that you suggested. :/

I have a Track Power Machine drilled pin over fingers, MB just right of thumb, and that ball goes super long and barely moves. I have a Track Equation^2 drilled pin about 1 1/2" over ring finger, CG kicked right, and that ball moves nicely, but I also have a Track Strike Machine drilled like the Equation^2, with MB just right of thumb, and that moves horribly.

Maybe it's just the ball and their type of reaction, but any ball i've drilled pin over fingers recently, has been terrible and just a big waste. That's why I stick to solid coverstock equipment (to kill the over/under), and that's why I drilled them 4" pin to PAP , or lower, with duller surfaces.

What if I drilled the Domination like this? (which is 3 1/2 by 4 1/2 MB)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/TheOne9110/Roto-GripOracleVision.jpg
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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 12:04:23 AM »
I've never drilled a Storm MB ball with the MB that close to my VAL and/or that far away from my thumb.

Remember our chat about the Solution Power Plus EX? That ball is drilled pin-over-bridge and I have over/under out of it. I have over/under out of a lot of balls with that drill, but never Storm. The other key with the Storm balls drilled pin-over-bridge, for me, is to immediately knock the box polish off it -- say, 1500 wet-sand or 2000 Abralon. LIGHTLY. As for the ones drilled pin-1:30, I tend to keep them shined.

I've found the pin-over-bridge drillings to be money on every Storm or Roto Grip ball I've ever had. I think it's the core that's making this difference.

I will say this: I have three of the Machine-series balls, too -- Machine, Mean Machine, and I just picked up a Strike Machine. The only one of those drilled with a pin "up" is the Mean, and on that ball, the ring finger drilled the pin out.

I'm going around the world to say I think pin-up on a Storm strong assym is going to be different for you than on your Track gear.

However, if you choose to drill it the way that Oracle Vision is drilled, it's going to be much like a drill pattern I have on a X-Factor XXXTreme, which is not the same ball but very similar. That ball is VERY smooth for me, but wants to roll pretty early. A XXXTreme is a dull ball, anyway, and was pitched from the factory as a medium-heavy piece or a true oiler. You would have to do some surface mod to your Domination to get it to act the same way.

If you're determined to keep the pin low, I would suggest keeping the pin at 4 inches, but I don't want to tell you something and you follow my advice and then come back in here and cuss me out in two weeks. (g)

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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 07:02:49 AM »
Wow, thanks again for the great response, Jess! I was hoping to get another response before stupid school finals today lol.

Anyways.. I see what you're talking about. Maybe the Domination will be different with the pin up and over the fingers. The only ball I really ever had trouble with, with pin over fingers, WAS the Power Machine. It possibly may just be the ball then, and the core match-up to my game? And same goes for the Strike Machine. The Robo Core, no matter how good it is for others, possibly just does NOT fit my game.

If the ball does try to roll up early, and have a smoother reaction, I may like that. But, I do need a ball to go long for me, and have a nice reaction on cleaner backends. Like I said, all I NORMALLY throw is solid, solid/pearl blend, or particle pearl coverstocks. I do not have a true "pearl" ball in my arsenal right now because I really don't like my Strike Machine all that much. It just has such a weird hook motion :/. What i'd really love out of the Domination, is a smooth push through the heads, nothing fancy, and a big-booming backend reaction that is somewhat consistant. The Strike Machine (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/TheOne9110/StrikeMachine-1.jpg) is just rev up super early, die on the backend type reaction.

So, let's see.. Paradigm Domination, pin over fingers, MB right of thumb, surface around 2000 grit, sound good? I'll get a ball later and figure out those coordinates to my PAP!

Thank you! Any other comments, or suggestions are welcome!
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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 07:31:03 AM »
Your specs are somewhat similar to mine when I'm trying to soften up and stay up the back of the ball to play more direct.  That sort of layout works well for me on pearl equipment.  2000 or 4000 abralon is good for most conditions, but I've gone as far down as 1000 on a Total NV on medium oil to smooth out the over/under.  And pretty much no matter what you do, the Domination WILL get down the lane and turn hard on the backend.  That's just the nature of that ball.  It's one of the most pure skid/flip balls Storm ever made from what I've seen.

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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 01:17:20 PM »
Just one other thing after re-reading my post: The XXXTreme similar to the Domination, not the Oracle Vision. I misused a pronoun. (g) The XXXTreme has the X-Factor core which is pretty close to the Paradigm-series cores.

If you're going to drill it pin-over, bowl with it before you knock the box finish off it just to see how you like it. Could be no changes are necessary.

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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 04:18:01 PM »
I love my Domination, drilled pin over bridge (5.5x4.5). It gets easy length with a strong backend. Too bad they discontinued it.(But I have a spare in the closet, NIB )

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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 05:40:35 PM »
Love my Domination ... here's a pic http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z163/fbm357/bowling001.jpg

Pin below and with polish, I manage to still get length but very strong backend!  I'm strong inverted, so I tend to get roll, but cut corner really nice.

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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2008, 07:24:34 PM »
Dan, what layout were you talking about? The one on my Oracle Vision, or the pin over fingers, MB right of thumb layout?

But thank you again for the comments, guys! It's really helping me out! I see now that the Domination will be skid/flip no matter what. I do want that, but I just want it to be a consistant skid/flip is all!
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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 07:49:22 PM »
If you want it to be consistant, but still more of skid/flip, you might want to have it at 4000 Abralon that seems to work well for strong backend without polish, the 2000 Abralon might be too smooth for what you are looking for
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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 08:25:29 PM »
SVstar, good suggestion! I'll try it at box finish, if I don't like it, 4000, and again, if I don't like it, 2000.

More comments, or suggestions, anyone? Thanks a lot so far!
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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 09:13:26 PM »
quote:
Dan, what layout were you talking about? The one on my Oracle Vision, or the pin over fingers, MB right of thumb layout?
Pin over fingers/MB right of thumb.

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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2008, 06:42:43 AM »
Thanks, Dan. I'll be thinking about all these layouts this weekend, and see what might work best. I'm not afraid to drill it to roll early really, but I don't want it to just burn up all the time. It's meant to go long and flip, so that's what it will do!

More comments or suggestions are welcome!
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Re: Paradigm Domination - Layout suggestions.. New question!
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2008, 01:51:43 PM »
Hey guys, how about a Gravity Shift? It has been a toss up between these two, and i'm starting to have second thoughts on the Domination! What if I were to drill the gravity about a 6" x 4"MB? Wouldn't it still try to roll early (due to the core), but still get down the lane with a smoother backend? Any thoughts, or am I completely off? Thanks!
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