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TheGom

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Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« on: February 10, 2013, 04:25:34 PM »
Not knowing 100% were I stand on one of the MM questions, but I should be super close to being correct, the Matchmaker spit out the IQ Tour Pearl as my heavy oil ball!

Does this make any sense?

Here is my stats for MM

Speed....I put Slower.....one house says 13.90 to 14.67 as my range..is this slow?
Revs......I put Med......maybe it should be Low? About 14 revs before it hits the pins
Axis of Rotation....I put In Between as I know it was more on the high side, but I am getting it lower day by day with work. I do not know 100% what it actual is.
Tilt.........I put Med....as again it was more on the Low side but I am seeing rings much closer to my thumb on all my high flare balls and in for Med on my spare ball.

So it suggest the IQTP first and also the IQT, Frantic and Hyroad.

These all seem to be more of a Med Oil Pattern balls to me.

On a 40 ft THS shot with flying back ends, my VGNP has been good, a Tropical Heat B/S Hy with a 4000 surface change has been good, and some new luck with my Frantic with a hit of 4000 also.

The MM makes it sound like the IQTP would be to much for my house...thoughts?


 

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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2013, 04:38:14 PM »
If your speed is that slow and you have medium revs you shouldn't need much ball for heavy oil. I think you have tilt confused as well. Generally speaking a track further from your fingers and thumb equals higher tilt and moving it closer to your fingers and thumb would be lowering your tilt....of course the only way to really measure tilt is to measure your track diameter.

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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2013, 05:20:45 PM »
Axis tilt is best determined by track diameter. 13° to 20° is average and equates a track diameter between 10.5" and 11.5"

Where is your ball speed being calculated at on the lane?

Your results are only as good as the data you enter. Garbage in, garbage out.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2013, 05:24:09 PM by J_Mac »

TheGom

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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 07:01:29 PM »
If your speed is that slow and you have medium revs you shouldn't need much ball for heavy oil. I think you have tilt confused as well. Generally speaking a track further from your fingers and thumb equals higher tilt and moving it closer to your fingers and thumb would be lowering your tilt....of course the only way to really measure tilt is to measure your track diameter.

Yes, I wrote Tilt when I meant Track...make better sense now?

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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 10:13:14 PM »
It says for me I need a frantic on a "heavy" shot and I know for a fact on a legit heavy shot I could never get a frantic to turn.

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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 06:34:16 AM »
I think the biggest factor would be the amount you are rev or speed dominant. If you are extreme rev dominant than you shouldn't need more than an iq tour in heavy.....i am more matched and i can get a frantuc to make the corner on must anything I've ever bowled on....

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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 03:08:33 PM »
Those speeds are measured near the pins.  I am not sure what the Match Maker is asking for.  If it wants the speed off your hand it is probably 2 mph higher as a general rule.  I am usually 15.5-16 near the pins, and almost every coach I have ever had has told me my ball speed is too slow.  So high 13's low 14's is slow at the pins is slow.

Let's ASSUME you average 15 mph for the whole lane.  That is 22 ft /sec.  The lane is 60 ft, so it takes your ball 2.73 seconds to reach the pins.  14 revs / 2.73 sec * 60sec/min = 308 rpm.

With 300 RPM the speed off your hand should be 17-17.5 mph, to be matched up.  The Matchmaker sees you as Rev dominant.  So it puts less aggressive equipment as your choice for heavy oil.

This is my take on things.


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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 07:49:03 PM »
Those speeds are measured near the pins.  I am not sure what the Match Maker is asking for.  If it wants the speed off your hand it is probably 2 mph higher as a general rule.  I am usually 15.5-16 near the pins, and almost every coach I have ever had has told me my ball speed is too slow.  So high 13's low 14's is slow at the pins is slow.

Let's ASSUME you average 15 mph for the whole lane.  That is 22 ft /sec.  The lane is 60 ft, so it takes your ball 2.73 seconds to reach the pins.  14 revs / 2.73 sec * 60sec/min = 308 rpm.

With 300 RPM the speed off your hand should be 17-17.5 mph, to be matched up.  The Matchmaker sees you as Rev dominant.  So it puts less aggressive equipment as your choice for heavy oil.

This is my take on things.


dR3w

I think that your take is good. About 10 years ago at BTM Boot Camp, I was shown on a lesson video that my speed was 17.1 and revs were 275.

My guess is that I more closer to mid to high 15 mph and about that 275-300 revs.


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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 09:34:04 AM »
any of those balls can handle heavy oil. I bought a Hyroad and a Manic and specifically drilled them to be way stronger than my Sync. they are medium end balls but we are in the new age of bowling. even "weak equipment" if drilled properly can be just as strong if not stronger than your high performance balls
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Re: Storm Matchmaker...My Heavy Oil Ball is.......WTH?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 10:16:51 AM »
I haven't worked with the MatchMaker, but it seems like it is on the money. Most bowlers incorrectly think that you want super early, super aggressive pieces for heavy oil. That is actually counter productive. If you are bowling on something long and you have a ball that just digs in the second it hits the lane, there will be no energy left at the end of the pattern. That equals very little motion and terrible pin carry. It's the same on the other side. Let's say you're bowling on something short like Cheetah. You don't want a shined up ball that's super clean because that ball is going to go absolutely sideways when it gets to the end of the pattern.

As such, you have to reverse your thinking. When you're bowling on something longer, you want a ball that's going to retain some energy so that it still has some power left when it exits the pattern. Now, that doesn't mean you try to throw a Tropical Heat Pearl on a 55-foot pattern, but something like a Hyroad, Frantic, IQ Tour Pearl (with some surface), etc., may be exactly what you need. On the flip side, if I'm bowling on Cheetah, I'm more likely to use my Vivid, something that has a matte finish that will bleed energy a little bit in the front so that it doesn't go nuts off the back of the pattern.

Could Storm's MatchMaker be taking this approach into account when it makes these suggestions?