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Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« on: March 11, 2022, 04:53:22 PM »
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #106 on: March 22, 2022, 10:45:42 AM »
First of all, Motiv didn't make anyone wait months. Within a few weeks I exchanged my Carnage for a new ball. Now, you also had the option of waiting for the next Jackal (the Jackal LE it turned out to be) and that did take a few months to develop, test and get approved. It will also be a few months before you see the Spectre 2.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2022, 11:40:21 AM »
Has there been any estimates as to how many Spectre balls were already in the channel?  The ball was released mid-December 2021, so 3 or so months worth of production...
Probably way fewer than if they hadn't immediately announced the Phaze 4 for stateside   ;D
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2022, 11:56:45 AM »
First of all, Motiv didn't make anyone wait months. Within a few weeks I exchanged my Carnage for a new ball. Now, you also had the option of waiting for the next Jackal (the Jackal LE it turned out to be) and that did take a few months to develop, test and get approved. It will also be a few months before you see the Spectre 2.

It took MONTHS for Motiv to replace with the Jackal LE. That wasn't explained upfront as I recall, at least for how long it would take if you wanted the new version. Did Motiv "make" us wait that long? No, so my statement wasn't entirely accurate.

I'm probably being petty, but I recall Motiv's handling of the Jackal situation to be very sloppy and unprofessional. Thus far, Storm has been excellent.

And no, I'm not a Storm fanboy, I throw more Motiv than anything else.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2022, 11:59:39 AM »
I agree with Motiv's handling of the process. It was clunky. BUT......it was the first time a ball had been stripped of approval and Motiv (along with everyone else) was learning as we went through the process.

I think every ball company, including Storm now, used Motiv's case and handling of the issue as a what to do and what not to do example if and when a similar situation occurred to them.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #110 on: March 22, 2022, 12:02:24 PM »
I agree with Motiv's handling of the process. It was clunky. BUT......it was the first time a ball had been stripped of approval and Motiv (along with everyone else) was learning as we went through the process.

I think every ball company, including Storm now, used Motiv's case and handling of the issue as a what to do and what not to do example if and when a similar situation occurred to them.

I can agree with this. Storm does have the benefit of seeing what not to do.  Motiv WAS treading on unfamiliar ground.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #111 on: March 24, 2022, 08:57:12 AM »
Kudos to storm for giving out new balls and letting you keep your unnapproved one.

However, I wasn't super impressed with the choices for replacement. It should have been anything in the line up....
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #112 on: March 24, 2022, 10:33:18 AM »
Kudos to storm for giving out new balls and letting you keep your unnapproved one.

However, I wasn't super impressed with the choices for replacement. It should have been anything in the line up....

They couldn't really do that...can't allow people to replace a $249MSRP ball with a $289MSRP ball.  Perhaps they could have allowed people to do that and had them pay the difference in price..."upgrade to a Nova for $50".

I heard a wild, unsubstantiated figure that there may be 15,000 Spectre balls that need to be replaced.  Based on that number, the $50 drilling contribution alone is costing them $750,000.  Plus the cost of the replacement balls.  This might end up costing them a few million dollars, not to mention the logistical headache it is already giving them.

I think what they are doing is the best they can do.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #113 on: March 24, 2022, 10:36:33 AM »
That number seem very high.  That may have been the number of balls produced originally, not the number already drilled.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #114 on: March 24, 2022, 11:07:41 AM »
At the end of the day, I am still curious as to how that cover got to be too soft.  It isnt like R3S has never been used before.  Or maybe I missed it somewhere in the 8 pages of responses.  LOL!!!!
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #115 on: March 24, 2022, 11:17:36 AM »
At the end of the day, I am still curious as to how that cover got to be too soft.  It isnt like R3S has never been used before.  Or maybe I missed it somewhere in the 8 pages of responses.  LOL!!!!

There is still a lot of finger pointing going on. USBC says their testing shows too soft.  Storm says their testing shows no issues and they are appealing the ruling.

Even if the USBC made a mistake in testing, will they be humble enough to admit it and reinstate the ball? 


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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #116 on: March 24, 2022, 11:27:55 AM »
That number seem very high.  That may have been the number of balls produced originally, not the number already drilled.

Exactly what I was thinking. I had two of them, but only one drilled. I know my local pro shops both had a few Spectre's in their inventory as well.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #117 on: March 24, 2022, 01:38:23 PM »
At the end of the day, I am still curious as to how that cover got to be too soft.  It isnt like R3S has never been used before.  Or maybe I missed it somewhere in the 8 pages of responses.  LOL!!!!

There is still a lot of finger pointing going on. USBC says their testing shows too soft.  Storm says their testing shows no issues and they are appealing the ruling.

Even if the USBC made a mistake in testing, will they be humble enough to admit it and reinstate the ball?

Luke Rosedahl said on one of his recent livestreams that he is hearing other says they aren’t seeing soft Spectres either. Even some independent testers agree with Storm as well.

First portion of the video is the Spectre discussion.


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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #118 on: March 24, 2022, 03:20:32 PM »

Ron Hickland put some numbers up, thanks to the help of working with David Henson, who worked at EBI for over 50 years. He specialized in quality checking while there, but specialized in hardness.

https://ctdbowling.com/blogs/news/the-effects-of-bowling-ball-hardness-what-is-special-about-the-purple-hammer-bowling-ball

They went through the gambit of balls, going back to the Black Hammer from 1983, all the way up to the Spectre, as well as a few tests including bowling footprint, as well as  what happens when you have a ball under 73D and over 73D thrown on a flat pattern.

Youtube video of it below:


If anything, it's safe to say at least that the Spectre was banned due to softness.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #119 on: March 24, 2022, 05:32:37 PM »
Looks like they’re going to have issues with the Purple hammers from any year that were manufactured by Ebonite. That 2019 is soft already.

Interesting to see someone else find the same results as the USBC on the Spectre. Curious as to how that plays out going forward.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #120 on: March 24, 2022, 06:10:55 PM »
Looks like they’re going to have issues with the Purple hammers from any year that were manufactured by Ebonite. That 2019 is soft already.

This is why I'm interested in how the first overseas Black Widow Purple Pearl Urethane is going to hold up to any hardness test. That was a Hopkinsville pour, and certified in July of 2019. I'm wondering if it used the same formula as the Purple Pearl Urethane from that same year. If it did, it could be subject to the softness that you've indicated as well.

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