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Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« on: March 11, 2022, 04:53:22 PM »
No word why yet. More to come.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2022, 12:15:40 PM »
I have also started hearing that there was an issue with the USBC's testing equipment. 

It would be kind of funny to find out that someone did their math wrong, and the defect rate was only 1.4%, not 98.6%.

In all seriousness, if it is determined that the USBC messed up here then Storm should pursue some sort of legal action just to yank the USBC's chain.  It would be great to see the USBC sweat a little over their inability to get their act together.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2022, 12:18:07 PM »
Seems like this is going to rumble on for a while yet.

Here’s the mail SVstar is referring to.


We are disappointed in USBC’s decision on Monday revoking its prior approval of the Storm Spectre bowling ball. Our tests show and confirm that the Spectre ball meets all USBC requirements. Therefore, we disagree with this recent ruling. We pride ourselves in manufacturing the finest high-end balls which are shipped worldwide. When we create a new product, we do extensive testing prior to sending it to the USBC for approval. The USBC then conducts their own studies to determine if the ball is certified for USBC competition. We then get an approval notification and proceed with the manufacturing process.  All that occurred with the Spectre.
 
Our customers are our priority and deserve the utmost service and respect. While we continue to work through this ongoing situation with USBC, we want to do all we can to take care of our customers. We are currently working on a resolution and process to ensure that if you purchased a Spectre, you will have a product that you can use in a USBC Certified competition.
 
We will have more information for our customers shortly.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2022, 12:56:46 PM »
Although I doubt this will happen, I would love to see Storm release their review to the public. How many balls did they test, etc and what the results were.

We all know USBC will not release their infomration unless made to......

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2022, 01:46:32 PM »
Quote from: 3835 on March 16, 2022, 12:56:46 PM
Although I doubt this will happen, I would love to see Storm release their review to the public. How many balls did they test, etc and what the results were.

We all know USBC will not release their infomration unless made to......


Yes please. Website numbers might be made up but they imply they should average 74 so having basically all of a sample below 73 means something is bogus somewhere.

As far as USBC? Here's an example of what they could be doing for approved products instead of just a picture:
https://www.pdga.com/technical-standards/equipment-certification/discs/wizard-revised

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2022, 03:33:06 PM »
Storm issues new update today...

They're going to be opening an exchange portal on their website. List of 7 balls you'll be able to pick from as a replacement and a $50 voucher for drilling that pro shops will be able to turn into Storm for reimbursement.

No mention of what balls will be on the list of 7. I'd imagine the Wolverine, P4, UC2, and Zen will be on the list
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2022, 04:57:41 PM »
It seems to be that there's two different sets of information out there. And it seems to be crystal clear for the people with drilled bowling balls to simply use the portal and follow the process.

I believe I also saw instructions to ship on drilled balls back to the distributor but that has to be like owned equipment by the pro shop. What about consumers that have undrilled specters do we just keep those and drill them as a practice ball or to use in unsanctioned events?

Doesn't seem right that if someone already has it drilled that they get to keep the ball whereas if it's undrilled they have to send theirs back. Good effort on storms part but it needs to be a little bit more clear...
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2022, 05:18:29 PM »
Quote from: billdozer on March 18, 2022, 04:57:41 PM
It seems to be that there's two different sets of information out there. And it seems to be crystal clear for the people with drilled bowling balls to simply use the portal and follow the process.

I believe I also saw instructions to ship on drilled balls back to the distributor but that has to be like owned equipment by the pro shop. What about consumers that have undrilled specters do we just keep those and drill them as a practice ball or to use in unsanctioned events?

Doesn't seem right that if someone already has it drilled that they get to keep the ball whereas if it's undrilled they have to send theirs back. Good effort on storms part but it needs to be a little bit more clear...

The PSOs are to ship the undrilled balls back to the distributor, while those that are drilled need to have a picture of the serial number taken and send that to the exchange portal.

Those customers that have them undrilled can choose to drill them or keep them undrilled. Either way, they get to keep the ball. If you choose the drill it, drilling is on you to pay, as I don't think Storm will let the PSO use the certificate to drill the Spectre.

Again, only the PSO has to send the balls back, not the customer.

Chris Beans has a good explanation up on Bowlers Rant's YT channel:


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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #83 on: March 21, 2022, 05:38:49 AM »
So now that we're a few days into this ... apparently people are starting to do their own hardness checks of a Spectre and I haven't seen a failure yet, from the videos that have started to pop up.

If the USBC fouled this up, but doesn't want to eat crow and admit it, what's the next step? Does Storm sue? And what about us bowlers who rely on the USBC to be accurate about these kind of things -- should we go to the mat for this issue? Because I don't really want our sanctioning body being wrong about these things in the future, regardless of the company involved. We're just not a big enough industry to absorb that kind of thing multiple times over.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #84 on: March 21, 2022, 06:52:51 AM »
Supposedly there is a reason behind Storm not wanting drilled balls returned to the pro shop or to Storm or requiring the serial number to be drilled out (Motiv required the Pro Shop to drill out the serial number on the Jackals).....

If you put 2 and 2 together, that tells me Storm has something up their sleeve about this. Further, the Spectre is still on Storm's website.

What this tells me is ultimately, I think Storm is going to use every recourse to get the Spectre approved again, but because they know its more than likely going to be a long process, don't want to hurt customers, so in the meantime they are throwing everyone a free ball.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #85 on: March 21, 2022, 11:55:54 AM »
The 7 balls available for the Spectre replacement:

1. Original Hyroad
2. Hyroad Pearl
3. Pitch Black
4. Rubicon UC2
5. Rubicon UC3
6. Idol Helios
7. Wolverine
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #86 on: March 21, 2022, 12:02:59 PM »
Quote from: 3835 on March 21, 2022, 06:52:51 AM
Supposedly there is a reason behind Storm not wanting drilled balls returned to the pro shop or to Storm or requiring the serial number to be drilled out (Motiv required the Pro Shop to drill out the serial number on the Jackals).....

If you put 2 and 2 together, that tells me Storm has something up their sleeve about this. Further, the Spectre is still on Storm's website.

What this tells me is ultimately, I think Storm is going to use every recourse to get the Spectre approved again, but because they know its more than likely going to be a long process, don't want to hurt customers, so in the meantime they are throwing everyone a free ball.

They are definitely trying to get it reinstated. I'm a little surprised the P4 isn't on the list of balls for exchange
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #87 on: March 21, 2022, 12:26:36 PM »
Quote from: SVstar34 on March 21, 2022, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: 3835 on March 21, 2022, 06:52:51 AM
Supposedly there is a reason behind Storm not wanting drilled balls returned to the pro shop or to Storm or requiring the serial number to be drilled out (Motiv required the Pro Shop to drill out the serial number on the Jackals).....

If you put 2 and 2 together, that tells me Storm has something up their sleeve about this. Further, the Spectre is still on Storm's website.

What this tells me is ultimately, I think Storm is going to use every recourse to get the Spectre approved again, but because they know its more than likely going to be a long process, don't want to hurt customers, so in the meantime they are throwing everyone a free ball.

They are definitely trying to get it reinstated. I'm a little surprised the P4 isn't on the list of balls for exchange

The P4 deserves to be in there more than the Pitch Black. Only ball I disagree with being in the list.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #88 on: March 21, 2022, 12:31:10 PM »
Agreed - but the long play here is IF (that's a BIG IF) the Spectre does get USBC approval again, not only do you still have the Spectre, you got a 2nd ball for free. Can't argue with that point.

However - if the Spectre never gets reapproved, then yeah, totally agree. But from Storm's standpoint, I don't know if you want to give away your hottest ball on the market for free right now, regardless of the situation.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #89 on: March 21, 2022, 01:37:09 PM »
I seem to be missing some needed instructions.

What do I do with an undrilled Spectre? I have one I got from my local proshop that is drilled and a second one that is still NIB that I purchased from Buddies.

I must be over looking those instructions somewhere.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2022, 01:45:06 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on March 21, 2022, 01:37:09 PM
I seem to be missing some needed instructions.

What do I do with an undrilled Spectre? I have one I got from my local proshop that is drilled and a second one that is still NIB that I purchased from Buddies.

I must be over looking those instructions somewhere.

From their news page article:

If you have an undrilled Spectre, please email tech@stormbowling.com with your
Name
Shipping Address
Picture of the serial number
Choice of the 7 Balls (Storm Hy-Road, Storm Hy-Road Pearl, Storm Pitch Black, 900 Global Wolverine, Roto Grip Rubicon UC2, Roto Grip Rubicon UC3, Roto Grip IDOL Helios)
Replacement Weight
If you run into any issues with the website, please contact 800-369-4402.
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