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LaneHammer20

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Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« on: February 10, 2009, 11:01:30 PM »
Ball Layout is 5 1/2 x 4MB. pin 1 inch above bridge.

I bought this ball for heavier volumes, and that it has not been. Lately our house has been using their old machine, which is putting out a fairly long and heavy pattern. All my ball does is skate, and when it does react it is to late, this is in OOB condition. I have to play right up the boardss, and have to slow my speed down. 1st game was my worst in years and it was a 118. haha. opens gallore,

WEll I thought It was just to much ball for the condition, because good shots sometimes that made pocket would leave ten pins. So I decided to take it down to 2000 abarlon an polsih it up to store some energy. Wrong idea, now it would hardly ever make it back to the pocket, and when it would it would be a such a late turn it wouldn't carry the ten.

My Code was hanging with it in the oil, about the same move.

In Evansville On a true medium condition with clean backends, I get a fantastic reaction, that will let me play deep if I want to. Thing is even on the pattern it just gets effortlessly to long of length. I tried using my Dimension on this pattern before, and I had to fight to keep it on the rights side of headpin, that is what I was looking for in the Virtual.

I am going to try to dull it down to around 800-1000 grit, and see if that helps. Or maybe think about a balance hole, I just don't want it to overflare, I am already getting around 5 inches I think, not sure on that.

Anyone having this problem. This ball has turned out to be a Medium oil ball so far.


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Billy Ray

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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 07:11:20 AM »
Sounds like its just not an agressive enough layout for the volume/length you are encountering and needs to start up earlier to read the friction quicker.

What is your lane surface?

What is your ball speed? Rev rate?

Is there a weight hole in the ball?



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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 07:21:46 AM »
What i am noticing about the virtual here is that there needs to be a defined friction spot down lane for it to work.  Any oil down lane and they skate like nancy kerrigan.
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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 07:28:26 AM »
All bowling balls need friction to react.  Even though the Virtual Gravity is the strongest heavy oil ball on the market it still needs fricition to hook.  All bowling balls need dry boards to hook.  

Keep in mind the 3 phases of ball reaction, skid, hook, roll.  On really heavy long patterns a lot of bowling balls will skid too long and get into the hook phases but won't roll.  A ball that doesn't make it to the roll phase will hit the pocket flat.  The good thing about your VG is that you can almost guarantee it's going to make it to the roll phase even if it doesn't hook a lot of boards on the heavy long pattern.

On certain patterns you just have to play tight lines with minimal hook.

I have seen a lot of VG's being rolled.  The ball is very popular in my area.  I have yet to see one that was weak!  Storm is making some great equipment.

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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 07:45:04 AM »
For heavy volumes I have taken my strongest VG down to 1,000 Ab and I guarantee that ball will hook on virtually anything at that state.

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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 07:45:38 AM »
is this the olny shot/house you've thrown it on??  my just be a bad layout for ya... both of mine are WAY to strong for my area...

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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 08:12:17 AM »
Also, I believe that that high pin position PLUS a 5 1/2" distance is too much for your rev rate, 325-350. if your rev rate were 400-450, I could understand that pin height and distance, GIVEN you want it for true heavier oil. Also remember the surface is still only 4000 grit Abralon. That's very fine.

Changing either one of those: surface of pin distance should make a significant difference.

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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 08:29:37 AM »
I am surface change number 7 on the VG, duller it burns up polished it is skater. Got it used with a few games on it, the first owner had same problems with it and his game is much better than mine by a mile.

Beautiful ball hooks out of the house duller never carries no matter what so far, get to the pocket and leaves something like clock work.

Cell is a better ball by far and it took me 4 times to get it right on surface changes.

I keep getting offers to sell it but it is mission now to make it work and not sell it cheap being a 2 drill ball.

Magic is the ball to get for what you want, handles oil like a dream and backend's like a One or Angular One. It is worth more first drill to dump it off to be honest, maybe 90.00 shipped or so.

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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 09:12:27 AM »
You cant swing a ball on a flat heavy oiled pattern. Up the boards is the way to go.
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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 09:32:09 AM »
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Is there a weight hole in the ball?


No balance hole yet, thinking about one though.

 
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What i am noticing about the virtual here is that there needs to be a defined friction spot down lane for it to work. Any oil down lane and they skate like nancy kerrigan.


We bowl the night after women's league. They do not strip the lanes, just oil over top of them, so there is some carrydown.

 
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For heavy volumes I have taken my strongest VG down to 1,000 Ab and I guarantee that ball will hook on virtually anything at that state.  


Thats my next step, in the 800 grit range, But I have a feeling it is going to start burning up fats, after a spot is burnt in.

 
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Also, I believe that that high pin position PLUS a 5 1/2" distance is too much for your rev rate, 325-350. if your rev rate were 400-450, I could understand that pin height and distance, GIVEN you want it for true heavier oil. Also remember the surface is still only 4000 grit Abralon. That's very fine.


Ya I think I might have went to high for the pin position, Under the fingers would have probably helped more. 4000 is what I tried it with last week, it seemed to be alot better, but still thought might as well try a different surface, becasue I thought it might have just been bruning up. am going lower for Thursday.

 
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5 1/2 ptp drill is going to go long and store energy for the back end. If you wanted something for heavier oil 3 3/8 to 4 1/2 ptp would put the ball into a roll earlier with a smoother reation off the dry.


I don't think a 4 1/2 would work for my style, my roll seems to make alot of balls strong, I have noticed anything that I ahve drilled 4 1/2 seems to be way to strong in most cases and is way to condition specific.

 
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You cant swing a ball on a flat heavy oiled pattern. Up the boards is the way to go.


I have been going up the boards, i tried swinging it to see if the more oil in the middle would help, just skid into the 3-6 or came in very light for split.

Just from all the things I heard before I bbought it was that if you had some hand to drill it weak, and it would still be alot of ball, so i did and maybe went a little to weak.

I have a dimension with pin under 4 3/4 by 4 and I am going to being that along with my Virtual on Thursday and see which one fairs better. the virtual will be at 800 grit and the Dimesnion is at 2000 abralon.

i am just confused. I will probably keep it, It does pretty good in my Evansville league, which has pretty clean backends, and with more volume there could be a good ball. Fact is a what i thought I was going to get didin't happen, tough luck. If I ever get some funds, since bills are rolling in lately maybe a Mega friction will be the ball that i might have to look into. Love my Code and it has the same core.
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LaneHammer20

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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 10:29:34 PM »
Just took the ball to 1500 grit valention pad, which is right around 700-800 grit, will report back tomrrow night after my heavy oil league.
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LaneHammer20

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Re: Virtual not being as nice to me as you guys! UPDATE
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 09:30:30 PM »
Well got to use it tonight. I beleive I have found the right surface for the condition I am bowling on that is very versatile, and lets me use it every game.

I started it out the night with my Code, and unless I threw it real slow, it would not come back to the hole, mostly hitting the 3-6 pin. So aftersome dismall that had me in a hole. Made the switch in the 7th frame, throwing 14 out to 5 board and was all over the rack, struck out for a 167, haha. It seemed to have much better recovery, and was having great continuation. I was surprise at the forgivenedd I was having.

It still had good length but had a much harder arc and the end of the pattern. I think my carry problems with the 4000 abralon finsh and 2000 polsihed finish was when it got to the hole, it wasn't rolling through the pocket good enough, still in its transisiton phase.

Went 229, 222 the next two games. This is the first time I have been able to use a Solid reactive for all three games. That was neat.
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