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2handedrook12

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vivid vs defiant vs sync
« on: April 18, 2013, 04:01:20 PM »
What is the difference between these bowling balls?
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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2013, 11:23:15 PM »
Not a whole lot....

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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 12:08:48 AM »
Russels right.  For me the covers are about all the same.  The core gives a different hook shape for all three.  Basically if the shot warrants the strength of the NRG cover, I pick one based on the part of the lane that I am playing.  The vivid loves to be thrown through the track area..or 'up the boards' as it feels 'rolly'...my sync loves to play the entire lane or when im swinging it...and more so deeper on the lane sending to the dry covering many boards.   My defiant actually likes broken down shots on synthetic lanes...when a pearl just goes too long...its not as versatile as I would like...and is more of a niche reaction. 

I know its the latest and greatest but my sync is the most versatile of the three and gets the most use out of the three balls, in the three houses I typically bowl in week to week..

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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 02:47:21 PM »
Toss the Nano solid in that group too. All very similar with a smooth lopey motion and best used on lots of oil to see their true potential. Lucid is a better all around ball for house shots.

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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2013, 03:00:14 PM »
The only reason i didn not put the nano solid in there is because i was told its more flippy. Thanks to everyone who took the time to post.
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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2013, 04:30:46 PM »
The only reason i didn not put the nano solid in there is because i was told its more flippy. Thanks to everyone who took the time to post.

You would be correct.  The Nano solid is more angular, even with drilling it pin down.  It was an ok ball for me but I ended up getting rid of it in favor of the Defiant.
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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2013, 10:16:13 AM »
In my opinion based off core specs, videos, and having thrown all of these balls, the Sync is much flippier and bigger hooking than the Nano solid. Not sure where you guys are getting your info....but this is also what Storm sells it as. With an .058 diffetential and .028 intermediate diff the core in the Sync is revving quite a bit.

Now....as a disclaimer....if you are throwing both through high friction areas of the lane instead of through the oil to the dry like you are supposed to.....then the Sync will read and move quicker. But to properly evaluate a ball you need to use them on the conditions they are designed for.


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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 09:46:06 PM »
Higher intermediate diff means more Midland and continuation. Less flaring core from shape lock hd means it will save it's energy for later.
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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2013, 11:26:46 PM »
Only true if the cover is encountering friction. If used on deeper angles the intermediate dfferential delays and faces up later, therefore combining with the much higher RG differential and creating more flip and continuation. Higher intermidiate diff only means when the cover encounters friction the core will stand up quicker. Where it encounters this friction determines shot shape. Combined with a higher RG Diff this makes the Sync more angular.

I said this already I thought. If used in the track area where there is friction the Sync will read and roll earlier therefore cancelling out some of the flip by scrubbing off core energy. But if used in the soup, all of that energy is stored and the ball becomes very angular at the back of the pattern when it reads the friction.

Both balls are designed for use on heavy oil. This is the problem in todays game is perception. We see guys using oiler balls all the time on the outside part of the lane on house shots and claiming or thinking a VRP is more hook than a Sync. Use the balls on the intended condition and you see what the differences are.

Here is video on the comparisons.....to me it is very evident which ball jumps more in the back. Maybe someone else sees something different....I don't know.

http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/storm-sync-bowling-ball-review-digitrax/

And here is the evaluation of the core specs:

This is a brand new core for Storm called the G2. It stands for the second generation Shape-Lock core found in the Virtual Gravity. Many have loved the Shape-Lock core in the various top-line balls it’s been used in. Early days to say if this one will be loved but the specs are very aggressive. The G2 has an RG of 2.47, differential of 0.058, and mass bias of 0.028 for a 15 pound ball. The flare potential of over 6 inches. Compare that to the original Shape-Lock HD core with an RG of 2.48, diff of .052, and mass bias of .020 for the same weight. The intent is to create an even more dynamic motion. What that actually looks like will take some testing.

When I read that part about more dynamic motion I read "flip". This is what the Storm reps at the release seminar were saying too. So....to each their own I suppose.

Higher intermediate diff means more Midland and continuation. Less flaring core from shape lock hd means it will save it's energy for later.

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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2013, 01:50:33 AM »
And here is the evaluation of the core specs:

This is a brand new core for Storm called the G2. It stands for the second generation Shape-Lock core found in the Virtual Gravity. Many have loved the Shape-Lock core in the various top-line balls it’s been used in. Early days to say if this one will be loved but the specs are very aggressive. The G2 has an RG of 2.47, differential of 0.058, and mass bias of 0.028 for a 15 pound ball. The flare potential of over 6 inches. Compare that to the original Shape-Lock HD core with an RG of 2.48, diff of .052, and mass bias of .020 for the same weight. The intent is to create an even more dynamic motion. What that actually looks like will take some testing.

When I read that part about more dynamic motion I read "flip". This is what the Storm reps at the release seminar were saying too. So....to each their own I suppose.

Higher intermediate diff means more Midland and continuation. Less flaring core from shape lock hd means it will save it's energy for later.

The write up states, as you highlighted - "The intent is to create an even more dynamic motion"

An even more dynamic motion does not sound like flip to me.  The writen review also mirrors my interpretation.  The motion they observed on both conditions was not the typical "skid/snap" Storm is known for...

The video on the THS didn't sell many people on the SYNC in this area.  It looks like more than half the shots deflect towards the 10 pin.  Sure, the layout and surface were probably far too strong for that shot, but the Lucid (and Nano) finished through the pins much better.

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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2013, 08:48:05 AM »
Interesting that the conversation shifted totally away from the vivid. The vivid is a dud.

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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2013, 10:30:18 AM »
The Vivid is an okay ball but not as good as most Storm top end releases and so it didn't sell so well. I have a customer with a 299 and 2-300's on his so it works on the right condition.

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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2013, 10:47:48 AM »
You are reading the word "even" in the wrong context here. In this instance it is a preposition that increases the adjective "more" and not an adjective itself describing the motion.

It would read, "The intent is to create an even, more dynamic, motion" if it were being used to describe the actual motion. But it is not.

Not trying to be the grammar police or anything just pointing out the difference. And as far as the marketing quote goes I definitely agree. This is why I try to drill and throw most new releases. I have had 3 Nano Solids, a Defiant, 4 Nano Pearls, 2 Lucids, and 2 Syncs to base my opinion off of. I never just buy whatever they sell a ball as. But I will repeat their selling points if it is what I see out on the lanes. And I have seen more backend finish from the Sync than I did with any of the Nano solids.....even when I polished them.

That's all I can say....the videos show me a more dynamic flip, the core numbers tell me this is what I should see, and I have seen it in person out on the lanes. I will leave the rest of the debate up to you.

And here is the evaluation of the core specs:

This is a brand new core for Storm called the G2. It stands for the second generation Shape-Lock core found in the Virtual Gravity. Many have loved the Shape-Lock core in the various top-line balls it’s been used in. Early days to say if this one will be loved but the specs are very aggressive. The G2 has an RG of 2.47, differential of 0.058, and mass bias of 0.028 for a 15 pound ball. The flare potential of over 6 inches. Compare that to the original Shape-Lock HD core with an RG of 2.48, diff of .052, and mass bias of .020 for the same weight. The intent is to create an even more dynamic motion. What that actually looks like will take some testing.

When I read that part about more dynamic motion I read "flip". This is what the Storm reps at the release seminar were saying too. So....to each their own I suppose.

Higher intermediate diff means more Midland and continuation. Less flaring core from shape lock hd means it will save it's energy for later.

The write up states, as you highlighted - "The intent is to create an even more dynamic motion"

An even more dynamic motion does not sound like flip to me.  The writen review also mirrors my interpretation.  The motion they observed on both conditions was not the typical "skid/snap" Storm is known for...

The video on the THS didn't sell many people on the SYNC in this area.  It looks like more than half the shots deflect towards the 10 pin.  Sure, the layout and surface were probably far too strong for that shot, but the Lucid (and Nano) finished through the pins much better.

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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2013, 04:17:16 PM »
I would assume a ball like the vivid would work better at 4000 or 1500 polished.
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Re: vivid vs defiant vs sync
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2013, 07:02:06 AM »
Yeah it seems like it does. Many times NRG is too much cover for most conditions. Don't be afraid to take it up step by step or to put some shine on it.

I would assume a ball like the vivid would work better at 4000 or 1500 polished.