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glenn9812

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what to expect
« on: July 12, 2008, 10:03:06 AM »
What should i exspect from this drill.I told the pro shop to drill the way he would recommend for me.  So what kind of drill is this.


What should I espect? strong or weak hook potential?  Is it a generic layout because my friend has a ball drilled the same way with the dot in the same place.

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2008, 06:17:30 PM »
It is a fairly generic drilling if you have a normal PAP, but since you didn't provide any details, there's no way to be sure.  The pin (your "dot") is somewhere near the leverage position, and the CG (the other symbol in your grip center) is right in the middle of your grip so there's no need for a weight hole.  Should be fairly early hook and lots of flare.

It's already drilled, so I don't understand the need to ask.  Throw it and you'll know for sure.
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Re: what to expect
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2008, 07:56:09 PM »
alot of flare
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charlest

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 08:12:10 PM »
It all depends on:
- your release
- your PAP
- your ball speed
- the oil pattern on which you'll use it
- the lane surface
- the ball
- the coverstock
- the surface finish

It is the most generic of all drillings when the driller is totally clueless and can't be bothered to learn about you, your release and the lane condition on which you'll bowl. Basically, he just doesn't give a sh*t!

Sorry, but you asked. It's the same basic, I-can't-bothered-so-go-away drilling since resin balls and dynamic cores began around 1994 or so.
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shelley

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 08:59:10 PM »
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It is the most generic of all drillings when the driller is totally clueless and can't be bothered to learn about you, your release and the lane condition on which you'll bowl. Basically, he just doesn't give a sh*t!


That certainly could be the case.  Or he could have taken all of those things into account and decided that a label drill with a relatively low pin really is appropriate for the OP.

Or the OP is new to hooking the ball and the fingertip grip, in which case, his PAP, release, and ball speed are not consistent or not known.  It's nice if the guy can have you go throw a few before laying out the ball, but if you walk in with a conventional-drill plastic ball, tell him you want to learn to hook it, what does he have to go on?  How should he measure your PAP?  Why would your release be the same?  Most people I know that switched from a conventional, straight, plastic ball to a resin ball had to learn a radically different game.

It could be laziness, but there are more than enough legitimate reasons to use that layout.

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 10:30:27 PM »
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It could be laziness, but there are more than enough legitimate reasons to use that layout.

SH


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tommygn

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 10:08:43 AM »
In all fairness to pro shop operators everywhere, there is no such thing as a GENERIC DRILL. I have drilled pleanty of bowling balls with this type of layout for customers who cannot handle a hook set ball motion. I have found that this layout gives a bowler who cannot repeat shots, a very consistant motion through the lane, giving them the highest pocket potential. Without knowing what the driller was thinking, or dealing with, it isn't fair to jump to conclusions.

And by the way, I happen to be averaging 246 this summer with a label drill, no extra hole, "generic layout".

And for glenn9812, talk to your pro shop about what to expect out of a layout, and try to gain as much knowledge from him as you can to help your game.  
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Re: what to expect
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2008, 04:16:18 PM »
it's a simple arc layout for your average bowlers and one of the easiers yet more efficint layouts advised on the storm drill sheets
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Re: what to expect
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2008, 04:42:44 PM »
All this fancy talk in pro shop lingo to sum up, that most of you guys throw this drilling on for newbie and to just get rid of the guy/gal in front of them.

since we all do not know the real answer and the poster does maybe they will enlighten us of what the driller told them???

This is about as generic as you can get in the guessing game, ask a bowler his pap and 99 percent of them look at you stupid.

Would i use this drilling for any newbie's on a symmetrical ball and guess 5 over on pap??? Well he11 yeah I would and that is fast cash, most drillers are just that drillers and easy money is easy money.  




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In all fairness to pro shop operators everywhere, there is no such thing as a GENERIC DRILL. I have drilled pleanty of bowling balls with this type of layout for customers who cannot handle a hook set ball motion. I have found that this layout gives a bowler who cannot repeat shots, a very consistant motion through the lane, giving them the highest pocket potential. Without knowing what the driller was thinking, or dealing with, it isn't fair to jump to conclusions.

And by the way, I happen to be averaging 246 this summer with a label drill, no extra hole, "generic layout".

And for glenn9812, talk to your pro shop about what to expect out of a layout, and try to gain as much knowledge from him as you can to help your game.  
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charlest

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2008, 04:43:48 PM »
When I hear from glenn9812 that the driller analyzed his delivery and watched him throw a couple of his ball on the lanes where he will bowl and then explained why this was the best drilling for him with the best ball he had available for him at the time of purchase, I'll retract what I said.

Until then, it stands!
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Re: what to expect
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2008, 05:42:00 PM »
Charlest,

I almost always agree with your opinions, you are a very knowledgable and level headed poster here. However if somebody came in for their first ever reactive ball, perhaps first fingertip ball, why would you do anything else?

I do totally agree with the sentiment and if glenn9812 comes back and says hes had loads of balls before, I will agree with you. It is a serious problem with drillers apathy towards learning about modern equipment and the number of balls you see with 'label' layouts is frankly shocking.
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shelley

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 07:07:21 AM »
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It could be laziness, but there are more than enough legitimate reasons to use that layout.


Anything is possible, like Christmas in July.


My MIL asked me one year if I sent my sister (who lives in New Zealand) a Christmas card and I told her no, that Christmas was June 25 instead of December 25 because their seasons are six months off of ours.  Since Christmas was a winter holiday, they did it in June, when it was winter down there.

Damn that woman is an idiot.

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 07:21:50 AM »
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It is the most generic of all drillings when the driller is totally clueless and can't be bothered to learn about you, your release and the lane condition on which you'll bowl. Basically, he just doesn't give a sh*t!


Oh, so true. I know a pro shop where thsi is the basic policy, and the operator even does not measure the PAP, so that a label leverage layout can even flare into the wrong direction and kill the ball reaction.

Yes, it IS possible to even screw up this totally generic layout...
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wulfpackbwlr

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 09:30:01 AM »
Unfortunately what everyone has said is true.  This drilling will be a little different for every person.  For me, this drilling is TERRIBLE!!!  Every ball I've thrown drilled in this manner hits the thumb about two feet before the pins.  Also drops my track about 3 inches.  

Unfortunately my driller has a tendency to drill balls like this.  One of those he continues to drill for me because he will drill the ball how I ask him to.  Unfortunately if you're just an average person off the street, you may get this depending on the day and what you say you want the ball to do.  Maybe he's secretly using the bowler's PAP and laying it out like this....but I don't see it.

How many balls has the shop drilled for you?  Did you bring a ball in and tell them to copy the span/ pitches and drill it?
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glenn9812

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Re: what to expect
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 08:59:08 PM »
whoa didn't mean to make this into an argument.  I didn't have any balls for him to look at.  Also my uncle and cousin bought a ball form them and got the same drill as well.  I tried the ball only once but the lanes where real dry and it hooked a ton i had trouble with my uncles columbia rival which i was averaging a 195 with. But i'll see this sunday when i go throw it again.

I'll just use this as a ball to see where i go from here for the next one i guess.  i wouln't lose any sleep over it was just wondering about the layout since i see it alot.

Next time i'll be specific and get a better idea on what i want with you guys for a layout.
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