Author Topic: 715a (Read 6534 times)

woodzx12 · « **on:** October 02, 2009, 11:03:05 PM »

im back with a report. i bowler on my friday night team has the 715a. he is averaging 235. i asked him how he like the ball and this was his answer. this is a third game ball when the lanes dry up. he cant get the ball to hook in the first and second game. he has a very high rev rate. but he is using the 930t and loves that ball. so once again i have 6 bowlers who own this ball and they all say this ball will not hook like it is advertized. i used the storm vertual energy and shot 741. this ball was moving 7 boards harder than the 715a. can only use the 715a in the dry. 6 out of 6 people. 6 differnt styles of bowlers. same answers. extreme hook. maybe if you are bowling in the sahara desert.

Thunder835 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:37:36 AM »

Saying you have 6 bowlers who all use the 715A and all say it does not hook, surprises me! You have to provide more information though so someone can give you a good explanation. First off, what styles are the bowlers? What''s their speed? What''s their rev rate? What''s their PAP? How are the 715s drilled? How much volume of oil does the house use? Did you try altering the surfaces?

These balls do hook. Comparing a 715A to your VE is not a good comparison. These 2 balls are miles apart! Some balls just do not match up well on a pattern, that''s common sense. You really need to provide more information to get an answer.

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woodzx12 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:48:17 AM »

the guy is averaging 235 what more info do u need this is no 175 bowler. i think this guy knows what he is doing. im averaging 220. i khow for sure what im doing.by the way these balls have the track #2 drilling. same drilling on the 930t as is the 715a and the 715a wont even touch the head pin in the first two games has no problem with the 930t.all the 6 bowlers that have these balls are all over 200. its not a problem with the bowlers. its the ball does not perform like it is designed to.

woodzx12 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:54:39 AM »

by the way the guy averaging 235 used the 715a in the third game and shot 267 when the shot brokedown. i think he knows his game very well

woodzx12 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:08:35 AM »

u guys at track talk about how its drilled where the pin cg and mass bias. on your product does it not say extremely angular... it should not matter track #1 drilling,track#2.u are tell customers extremely angular and it is not long and smooth thata what should be on this ball. if bought this ball for 200.00 and it does not do what it is supposed to you would be upset to. u would think i learned my lesson like when i bought the track rising. what a mistake buying the 715a.

Joe Jr · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2009, 10:15:39 AM »

My 715a is one of the strongest pearls i've owed. I've seen probably close to 10 of them at tournaments and they are all very strong. They just need a little friction downlane.
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Guined · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:11:24 PM »

Woodz,

In the other thread your bashing Track and the 715A on, I have aske you two times to provide me information about your game to try to help. You haven't done that except giving me a little info about the drilling on your ball. I have responded to that.

As far as saying your 235 average team mate knows what he's doing I would say your correct. You see a bowling ball is a tool for your game, throwing a 715A on a fresh oil pattern that warrants throwing 930T is probably not a good idea. The 715A will never get out of it's hook phase into roll. By the third game when he is seeing down lane friction then he changes to the 715A and shoots 267. That is a bowler that understands his equiment.

Woodz I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you about the ball even though you average 220. I don't think you fully understand ball motion on the lane and the impact drilling, surface texture, Rev Rate, Axis Rotation and Axis Tilt have in how the ball goes down the lane and how to match a bowler up to a certain ball and layout. It's ok a lot of guys with high averages don't understand any of this. Heck I drill balls for James Hylton who averages 235+ and hold the 5th 900 series evershot. Before the whole Robert Mushtare thing he held the two highest series ever shot with a 900 and 878 series. He knows nothing about ball reactions and ball motion on the lane. but I drill him equipment to match his style and how he wants to play the lanes.

I could put a 715A in my hand with a Rev Rate of 375 to 400, 45Â° axis rotaion, 17Â° Axis Tilt and absolutely hook the lane with the ball. I can give the ball to a friend that has less rev rate more axis rotaion and hes see pretty much teh same thing as I do. I can give it to anotehr frien of mine that has a rev rate of 475+ and the ball looks like garbage in his hand because he has very little axis rotation. He's really up the back of the ball.

If you want some help I will help you but quit bashing the ball and Track. From what I read in the other thread I don't think the ball was drilled to give you what you were looking for.
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jls · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:50:57 PM »

quote:
My 715a is one of the strongest pearls i''''ve owed. I''''ve seen probably close to 10 of them at tournaments and they are all very strong. They just need a little friction downlane.
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Guined, Here in this post, the bowler claims this to be one of the stongest pearls he has ever owned.... wow.....

How come you did not come on and challenge that... How come you didn''''t ask for all that info you asked Woodex about...

To me it appears that if a post is positive, you then assumed the ball is drilled correctly.. Yet if someone darns to post something negative, you want to dissect his whole game... Even though he has other balls drilled in a similar matter... You seem to want to dis credit his drilling on the 715T..

Believe it or not, but there are other pro shops out there in this country who know what they are doing...

And based on the feedback that I have seen and heard about this ball, I would tend to say that Woodex is dead on the money with his post...

And I still don''t see in any of his post, a cry for help from you...

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SleepOnIce · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2009, 02:11:13 PM »

So the 930T is a stronger ball than the 715A? Thanks topic creator, I wouldn't have known that otherwise.
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Thunder835 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:00:50 PM »

Why do people post messages on these forums about certain "problems" they have and then when someone tries to help them, they get all defensive? I do not get it. If you didn't want to hear our opinions, then don't post things like this looking for help, when all you are looking for is an argument.

jls,

If someone likes a certain ball they have, then you don't need to troubleshoot anything, UNLESS they ask. Woodzx12 made a post about the ball, we are trying to troubleshoot but it seems he got a little defensive as soon as someone spoke up.

I just don't understand.
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Guined · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2009, 05:45:54 PM »

jls

Ego, it's obvious that you don't know me. I'm about as far as you can get to having a big ego. I have gotten a awful lot from bowling and truly enjoy helping people with thier game or matching them to the right equipment.

Woodz came on here bashing the 715A and Track saying they are mis-representing what the 715A will do. I have drilled several of them and can say the 715A is probably one of the most angualar pearl balls I have thrown. "That's why I didn't or wouldn't question Joe Jr on his statement. I also have drilled them to roll earlier and softer of the spot with surface changes.

I had not intention to say his ball was drilled incorrectly. I stated from the infomation that I got from him his this is why his ball is rollign the why he is seeing it. If he wanted it long and angular I would have drilled it with the layout I mentioned. that's all that was ment by that.

I have never made any comments about other proshops, their experience, expertise or how they do business. So please do not imply that I have or do so. As a matter of fact I actaully help the other Proshop Operators in my area if they need in on layouts, reactions ect. They are direct competitors to me but they are also providing a service to the bowling industry and if they ask for my input or help I give it willignly. To me it's about education and helping people get better at the game we all enjoy. if they get better and enjoy it they will continue. If they don't they will go away. Monday I will be going to help out the Ebonite DSM in my area with a Columbia League Demo at my largest competitors center. To help him better serve his customers and hopefully he will sell some more balls.

I have had the pleasure to work with and be trained by some of the best in the industry. With the background and knowledge I have gained I am only coming on here to help someone out and give them a better understanding of layouts,ball motion and how to best match them to an individuals game.

I stand up for Track becuase they make good balls like most every other brand. I was a Regional Staff Player for Track for three contract years up until about three weeks ago when I resign my staff position. My resignation really comes down to the Track balls and the ball motion they create are really strong. With my rev rate I just had a hard time matching up with them. I've drilled a lot of track balls for my customers and they look great in their hands so it was frustrating to me.

Back to the 715A and Woodz. I asked him like other did as well a couple of times about items in his game that will better help me understand his game and why he maybe having the problems he is and he hasn't given that information. So I gave him my best assumptions from what I had to work with, that's it.

So if you think an applogy is warranted then here it is "I appoligize" Because my Ego doesn't stand in the way of me doing that. But maybe also i don't need to come on here and give my input anymore. You know it really doesn't mean anything to me if someomne bashes this ball or that ball, or this brand or that brand.

So I'm done now.
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Guined · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2009, 03:38:53 PM »

Sammy,

I never said or thought that woodz was crying for help from me. I don't know where you guys are getting this. I never ment anything demeaning to the guy.

If you read my post my post better I said that Track's equipment just didn't match up to my game as well as I would have liked. For my game and Rev Rate they are to strong, and as I have stated before the 715A were long extremely angular on the back of the lane for me. I Don't need or particularly like ball motion like that. I made surface adjustments to get them to read the mids correctly and then it would tame the back a little to much and the ball wouldn't face up correctly for me. I also said that many other people I drilled the balls for they looked really good. So don't take me not matching up that the ball don't perform well. There are many people out there doing very well with them. I will stand behind Track and the quality of the products they produce.

With my statement on a layout I stated a layout to give the angular motion woodz said he wasn't getting thats it. Now your saying that that he didn't want that, that's why he went with and aggressive drilling. So I'm confused because woodz in understandting was complaining he wasn't getting the extremely angular motion that Track said the 715A. If he's looking for an aggressive overall motion on the fresh then maybe suggest to him try taking the cover down to 2000 or even 1000 and see how that works for him, might be pretty good.

As for me selling my Track equipment. I thought I would get rid of them at low cost if someone wanted some good equipment with low games on them. Believe me I could have got more money for them. But I really don't care about the money.

Again I appologize I wasn't trying piss anybody off, I was only trying to help the guy out. If you can't accept or deal with that then I don't know what to tell you.

Rick

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Joe Jr · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:02:45 PM »

It's pretty amazing how some jerkoff's act around here. Guined you have nothing to apologize about, you were just trying to help, and there is no reason for these 2 morons to jump down your throat like this. Some people just like to fight and to cut down others and it's pathetic.
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Xplosive89 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:07:31 PM »

All of you guys who are on here bashing the crap out of Guined needs to stop. Your arguing with a guy that has far more knowledge about bowling than you guys do. When you guys come on here and say this ball sucks because it wont do what its advertised and a guy asks you all these questions because he wants to help you in any way he can, you throw it back in his face. Guined is not even bashing you guys, but trying to better understand the situation of why your having the problems your having with a particular ball so he can offer assistance. and you guys come on here and act like an insecure teenage girl whos on her period and got told shes fat.

So, what have we learned here? arguing on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics, even if you win.......your still retarded.

Kid Jete · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2009, 05:02:48 PM »

I think these guys are a bit slow, if you know what I mean. The first thing that jumps out to me is that they are bowling on a shot that requires the 930T, yet they want a ball, the 715A, that gets instant length and is super polished to hook. Last time I checked polished pearls weren't the best choice for heavy conditions. Maybe trying listening to the people that are here to help? Take them there shiny balls yall got and make em a bit duller, yeeehawww!

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