Author Topic: Arsenal Overlaps (Read 1166 times)

AdrianS · « **on:** June 05, 2007, 12:08:32 AM »

Just got wondering is drilling most of my good stuff with those 10.30 type layouts i like putting them too close together reaction wise? All my Arsenals have kicked out cg's so they all react strong in the midlane, And my Machine, Robo and Phenom all have mb's on/past my val so they're all pretty mean in the midlane too. Maybe try a couple of 12.00 or 1.30 type layouts on a couple of the symmetrical balls?(maybe even pin near PAP like i have on the Desert Heat on one of them) just so i've got some seperation? With there low RG.s maybe the cg out layouts on the Arsenal Artillery and Reactive is a little too much of a good thing, they need some help getting down the lane.
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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2007, 06:26:55 PM »

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but all I know is when I had most of my arsenal drilled the same, I was extremely one dimensional. As you can tell in my link to my arsenal, I've been able to play a wide variety of lane conditions, angles, etc....until I tore my wrist up that is.

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2007, 11:31:08 PM »

Adrian,

I think that you are on the right page trying to differ things a bit. I am a firm believer that drilling everything the same and allowing the differences in coverstock and cores show the differences is a BAD idea. Drill a ball to do what it is supposed to do.

It sounds like you need a layout with the pin 5-5.5 inches from PAP.....keep the CG in the center of your palm. This is a pretty basic layout, but it will give you seperation from everything else you got!

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AdrianS · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2007, 02:21:07 AM »

Thats one possibility Carl, actually the Reactive and Atillery were both drilled pin over the ring finger(which would have put the pin about 5' from pap) when i first got them!! With my rotation(and speed at times) that layout doesnt seem to agree with me which is why i went for what know layoutwise. Was thinking along the lines of the '1.30' style layouts to smooth the balls out a little so ive got something to square up with. There will be times where i just cant stand on 30-35 on the approach and saw on it and id like to have something else to go to.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2007, 11:31:33 AM »

Adrian,

The layout you are mentioning, the 1:30 style layout is generally leverage for many bowlers and will end up creating midlane, which you said is your current problem.

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AdrianS · « **Reply #5 on:** June 07, 2007, 04:55:10 AM »

Looking at them as i started plugging them this arvo i started thinking more along the lines of old school 'pin at 2.00' layout, rolling the pin down to about 2' from my axis to really smooth them out, there's only one way to find out what'll happen and i aint gonna die wondering!!

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #6 on:** June 07, 2007, 09:17:39 AM »

Hey Adrian,

If we can get a better separation between our pieces, our arsenal becomes more flexible and useful IMHO. If I remember correctly, you do bowl tournaments at different houses right? In that case, I'd definitely try different layouts so they can offer you a different look.

These days it isn't hard for the average tournament bowler to have 8-10 balls in their arsenal with 6-8 in the mid to high performance area that have different reactions but close to the same surfaces for each respective condition.
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AdrianS · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2007, 09:32:28 AM »

Well i prob wont have another trip away to bowl something for a couple of months which will give me some time to get everything organised arsenal wise once and for all. I'd say i've got 12 balls(once the freakazoid arrives) that are fighting for 6 spots in the tourney bag. Just a case of which 2 stronger ones with surface, which 2 midrangers and which 2 shiny go longer pieces i take(plus choosing between the Desert Heat and Blue dot for spares which makes 7!!) I wont mention the 'oldies' that live in my lockers and various storerooms around the centre except for how i have to resist the temptation to put one in the bag 'for old times sake'

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AdrianS · « **Reply #8 on:** June 13, 2007, 07:48:52 AM »

I have gone pin at 2 3/4 from pap on the Artillery and Pin 2 from pap on the reactive. Put some oil over 2 day old leftovers to see what i could see. Both balls are smooooth!!! The Artillery was stronger on the back while the Reactive rolled up earlier and arced very smooth. The backends were a little spotty which isnt the best for those layouts. Made it easy to square up and start on 10 with my feet, a little further right than im used to these days!! Need to put a set of turbos in the Reactive as well, the old 10th frame inserts i had lying around make me hit up on the ball just enough to make it a little jumpy. I'll soon fix that though. Tomorrow or next Monday i get to use them on the fresh backends too.
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AdrianS · « **Reply #9 on:** June 14, 2007, 08:11:33 AM »

Threw them on the fresh with clean backends this afternoon, love them!! On tourney conditions these things will be a definite step down when the big guns get too strong on the backs. On my house condition its still a case of stand on 30 and get it deep to about 10 at the breakpoint but away from home i'l have to take a step or 2 to the right. These 2 balls plus the Phenom will be the first balls in the bag for tourney play, just have to decide on the other 3 spots now. Freakazoid is coming next week too(now THAT i'm looking forward to!!)
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2007, 08:33:47 AM »

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I think that you are on the right page trying to differ things a bit. I am a firm believer that drilling everything the same and allowing the differences in coverstock and cores show the differences is a BAD idea. Drill a ball to do what it is supposed to do.

Second that. Most bowlers will have a favorite layout, but I'd also suggest appyling a drill to a ball that complements its design properties, e. g. an eraly rolling/arcing layout on a low RG matte oil ball and a length drilling on a higher RG polished pearl reactive. Other things may work, too, but I am not a fan of drilling a ball in a way that it is not supposed to be.

Besides, a 10:30 or label drilling is something that does not harm most of the time (even though it can be critical for a high tracker on a strong MB ball) - but it does not offer many advantages on the lane or exploits a ball's or a player's potential.

And, for an arsenal, I'd really look into different lane reactions to offer a wide range of potential lines and entry angles on diverse lane conditions. If you can spread these among a few balls, you will have a very effective assortment at hand.
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