Author Topic: Behind the Bowling: Clint and the Robo Rules (Read 3104 times)

SteveAustin2808 · « **on:** May 16, 2006, 01:49:25 AM »

HEY FASTTRACKERS!

I'm posting this because I would like Mr. Daley's input about all of the Robo Rules he currently has drilled. The burning question some of you maybe wondering is this...

Is it possible to get 10 different types of reactions with 10 different layouts on each of the Robo Rules that Clint possesses? A few people that I know in town have said that this is impossible..I would like to give Mr. Daley the floor to explain each layout he has on all of them and the different type of reaction shape he gets with all of them! Thank you for answering this Clint! God Bless You all and have a great week!

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FBM357 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 16, 2006, 09:59:13 AM »

I would believe placement of the mass bias left of thumb (for right handers) is a very weak drill (seems to be one of his most consistent drills). Either he has a ton of hand or is more of a down & in type bowler. (counteracts the semi-strong nature of this ball as I believe the Robo is the "weakest" of all balls with the same designed core i.e. Machine).
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clintdaley · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2006, 10:23:20 AM »

Here is the copy and paste from my Obsessed thread...

Well, decided before the state tourney this weekend to fill a few gaps in my arsenal....I punched up Robo Rules #9 and #10! Here is what I already had with pics of the layouts below the descriptions. I wanted something with the pin just above the fingers to help the ball get a few feet further down the lane. Mostly everything else I have is pin below/even with the fingers, around 2-2 3/4 above the midline...so for Robo #9 I decided to leave the factory surface on the ball and place the pin above the ring (about 3 1/4 inches above midline, 5 inches from PAP) with the mass bias swung out 1 3/4 from the VAL. Extra hole int he thumb quadrant on the VAL 2 inches below PAP. I had a Rock On drilled very similar to this (no mass bias on it though) and really like the way this ball handled oil. While it was not the best oil ball, games 2,3 or 2nd shift (which I bowl Saturday at Inter City) it killed....

Robo #10.....I decided to drill like an old Avenger I had. Ball got decent length and had a super move (had a high diff though). Placed the pin 1 1/4 from PAP, 1 3/4 above midline with the mass bias just right of the thumb alomst 5 inches from the VAL. Left the factory surface on. Ball is similar on a fresh shot to another Robo, but there is a difference and I am sure if I hit drier stuff, this one will shine. Did not get to throw it much due to the holiday and stuff, so can't give you a real great feel yet....

#1 Pin 2 inches above midline, 3 1/2 from PAP.....mass bias 3 1/2 from VAL, factory surface

Reaction: By far, the earliest aggressive ball I have in my arsenal. Once the head oil starts to go, this ball has to go back in its bag...onlu usually pull this ball out when nothing else will wrinkle.

#2 Same as #1 but has Delayed Reaction on it

Reaction: Gets a few feet further than #1, more backend due to the polish. Easy switch to ball when #1 goes away....

#3 Pin 1 1/2 above midline, 5 1/4 from PAP, mb 2 1/2 from VAL, factory surface

Reaction: My favorite ball. Strong early reaction (not as much as #1) but gives me more midlane and more continous roll down the lane in my opinion...I can really see this ball charging. Eats up the Scratch league classic shot...probably too much ball for the regular house shots.

#4 same as #3 but with Delayed Reaction

Reaction: A few feet longer and stronger than #3..easy switch to ball when #3 goes away.

#5 Pin 2 above midline, 4 1/2 from PAP, mass bias 6 1/4 from VAL, factory surface

Reaction: the weakest dull ball so far....gives me more length and more lope than #3...get for the house shots as the ball just doesn't overreact at all...great transition ball...when I am going across lanes, I usually try to use this ball as the reaction is more consistant.

#6 same as #5 but with Delayed Reaction

Reaction: Same as #5, but more length and more backend. Easy switch to ball when #5 is too much.

#7 Pin 4 inches above midline, 5 1/4 from PAP, mass bias 5 inches from VAL, factory surface

Reaction: Believe it or not, great ball for dry lanes....WHY? Pin is so far from PAP, Mass bias is away from VAL...pin is WAY up on the drill...but it has enough factory surface to go deep and trudge through anything left but yet get down the lane well enough to be used on drier conditions...just used this ball on lanes that had not been oiled for a WEEK at my home center from inside 4th arrow (nosebleed area for me) and went 200+ for all 5 games.

#8 Pin 2 1/2 inches above midline, 6 inches from PAP, mass bias 5 inches from VAL, Delayed Reaction

Lots of length, little movement down the lane..great bone dry lane ball for me...it was even moving the other day, but was by far the only ball I coulld start to play up the lane instead of swinging it.

(NEW) #9 Pin 3 1/4 above midline, 5 inches from PAP, mass bias 1 3/4 from VAL, factory surface.

Reaction: Ball is long and strong. VERY clean through the heads with more charge on the back than anything else I have. Used this the second day at InterCity and scored well with it when everything else I had was WAY to early or not strong enough...niche ball for me.

(NEW) #10 Pin 1 3/4 above midline, 1 1/4 from PAP, mass bias 5 inches from VAL, factory surface

Reaction: Very strong early in the lane...needs plenty of oil to get down the lane. So strong it can get over under for me once the pattern breaks down...

Layout pics......

1. Factory surface

__O__O__o-pin

________________o-cg x-extra hole

______O____mb

2. Delayed Reaction

__O___O___o-pin

_____________o-cg

______O_____mb

3. Factory surface

____O___O____

______o-pin

__________o-cg

______O____mb

4. Delayed Reaction

____O___O____

______o-pin

_________o-cg

______O____mb

5. Factory surface

____O____O_o-pin

______o-cg

___mb_O

6. Delayed Reaction

____O____O_o-pin

______o-cg

____mb_O

7. Factory surface

______o-pin

___O___O

_______o-cg

_____O_mb

8. Delayed Reaction

___pin-oO__O

_________o-cg

_________Omb

NEW #9 Factory surface

________o-pin
___O___O

____________o-cg
__________________o-extra hole
_____O_________mb

NEW #10 factory surface

___O___O
______________o-pin
___________o-cg

_____Omb

Clint

NOW FOR THE NEW DISCUSSION PORTION....................

I placed the reaction I see from each ball below the layout description....

As for discussion on these....the 3 layouts I have 2 of..one factory surface and one with Delayed..the ONLY reason I do this is if I am locked in on the pocket and just need to get the ball a squirt further down the lane or start a tisker sooner, I DON'T want to change drill pattern, just surface...so I switch to the opposite ball...IF I was not so finicky, I could probably do away with the 3 polished balls, but thats not me....

The ball with the pin way above the fingers-factory surface....it is an aweosme piece for when the lanes dictate..as the other 3 balls are...they are all niche balls for when my main 6 are just not up to snuff. I really try to stick witht he first 6, then break into these if I see something different or whatever the reason may be...

Do I think there is room for me to do this...YES...WHY? When traveling going to tourneys...I want to eliminate one thing....VARIABLES. Thus, why I always take evrything I own...then it NEVER crosses my mind that " I SHOULD have brought this ball or that ball" Because then you are not focusing on bowling...and then by drilling so many of one ball, I also elimate the SURFACE question in my mind...I see people goign through and saying geez, should I throw particle/reactive/pearl....and then saying should the surface be dull/shiny/etc...it elimates one more factor I have to worry about...

Basically, I am trying to make everything affecting my bowling be simple. Make it redundant, robotic answer....and so far, so good.

Like I have mentioned before, I do have 4 more NIB Robos sitting here...I just don't really think I need any more right now, if ever, plus with the new Track stuff coming soon, I have to try it, and I am excited about them (even though I don;t know anything about them...new bowling balls excite me for some strange reason) and we will go from there.

If I was not on staff, I would probably have 6 at the most right now...

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Edited on 5/16/2006 10:44 AM

clintdaley · « **Reply #3 on:** May 16, 2006, 02:37:03 PM »

100% correct DPat...maybe thats why Duck Savant likes the Machine so much with the high mass bias it has.....

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clintdaley · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2006, 02:25:49 PM »

As an update to this thread, after going back and forth with myself, here is what I have decided.

I *BELIEVE* I am going to drop 2 Robos off of my arsenal, leaving me with 8. The one with the neg pin and the one with the pin above ring, mass bias kicked. Why.....in my mind, these are the 2 that are going to get the least play...and here is why.

When I said I *BELIEVE* I am going to do this, its because if the new Hi Perf ball is a Robo core with a solid reactive cover of somekind, I am going to drill up 8 of them with the exact drills I have on my 8 Robos. This will give me 2 different covers and 4 surfaces per drill (dull particle, ploished particle, dull resin, polished resin). I really despise pearls, but there are sopme that fit my game, like the Machine, but I just don't feel they are as versatile as a solid ball..but that is only my opinion.

I am also going to add a Desert to go along with my Spare ball, plus whatever Track may come out with that I will receive this year.

However, if the next Hi Perf ball is NOT a solid reactive with the Robo core, if it is still a solid reactive, I *MAY* still do this.

If the next Hi Perf ball is a pearl particle or pearl resin, I will drill the one up that I get, and not only keep the 2 Robos I am plannign on dropping out of my arsenal, I will probably add 2 more as well for a total of 12 plus the Desert and Spare ball....

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chitown · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2006, 08:39:38 AM »

Clint that is an awesome arsenal of robo's. I have a smaller arsenal of Raw Hammer Dooms(4). I feel this is the best arsenal I have ever had.

Yes you can get many different reactions from the same ball by using different layouts and cover changes. I also feel that it makes it a lot easier to switch to another of the same ball when the lanes transition. Sometimes all you need is the same ball to roll earlier or later and you can get that with a different layout.

If many of you rememeber, Clint did this with the gp2. I think he had 6 or 8 of those.

SnoopyCanBowl · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:35:47 PM »

I also though about clint 10 robo rules too sometime. That a lot of balls to bring out of a trunk when you go bowling.

Hey Mr. Daley's, how about some video's on your robo balls with different layout? I have seen Rev-o video and it was awsome like hell.

clintdaley · « **Reply #7 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:49:38 PM »

Well, we JUST got a new computer that should be adaptable to being able to stream vids from the camera to the computer, unlike the dinosaur I was using....as soon as I work the bugs out of the new one. I think I am also going to wait to see if I drill up many of the new intros or if I am just going to drill up some more Robos...and then once all of that is done, then we will get it together.

Or.....if you just come up to the Pure Apoproach Clinic I am having with Del in October, you could see them in person!

Clint
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clintdaley · « **Reply #8 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:51:13 PM »

Chi,

The most GP2s I had at once was 8, but I drilled probably around 20 or more total....

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kreitz · « **Reply #9 on:** June 02, 2006, 07:44:09 AM »

SteveAustin2808;

Yes, it is possible to get 10 different reactions with this ball. I was over and had Clint drill me a new Robo Rule last Friday night. I got to see his arsenal first hand and bowl a few games with him. Each ball had a different look(depending on surface and drilling),some were night and day difference, some very subtle but they were different to some degree! So yes, you can get an arsenal of reactions out of the same ball with different drillings and surface adjustments! This might not work for everyone depending on your ball speed and rev rate, but it can be done!

Ken

SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 02, 2006, 09:48:49 AM »

Ken,

I never said it couldn't be done buddy; however, some people I've talked to in town about this says it isn't possible. I guess it is all up to how each individual bowler fits in this category. God Bless You and have a great week!

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Laybzz74 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 02, 2006, 09:59:11 AM »

Clint,
You are a sick, obsessive individual !!!

(BTW, I LOVE your passion for the line and for the game !!!

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chitown · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2006, 10:51:24 PM »

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Chi,

The most GP2s I had at once was 8, but I drilled probably around 20 or more total....

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Clint I thought it was less than what you have with the Robo's.

This is a great approach to building an arsenal in my opinion. If one finds the right ball then different layouts can really bring out some great ball reactions that can really make a difference when your not carrying the corners.

I also feel it's easier to learn each reaction of each ball in your arsenal. I really know the difference in reaction between every one of my Dooms and it has helped me a lot on the lanes.

Once again if any of your guys or girls reading this post really look into building an arsenal of at least 4 of the same ball but drilled different and with cover changes.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #13 on:** June 03, 2006, 01:26:33 PM »

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This is a great approach to building an arsenal in my opinion.

Sorry chi but I have to respectfully disagree. This is actually a very specific and conditional way of building a true arsenal for the average tweener. I have to assume that you are also a little speed dominant or that your overall hook is minimal (10-15 boards) in your game. We know that Clint throws pretty hard and firm, Kreitz also has high ball speed which can allow for this type of situation but overall for most players, this is a very difficult thing to do.

For anyone who matches up in speed to rev ratio or is rev dominant, it is almost impossible for them to throw one ball even with cover and layout differences to help them cover all conditions. For any slower speed player who has to play the heads, coverstock is still very crucial in achieving the proper length to help achieve the proportionate amounts of skid, hook and roll. a polished Robo still won't skid and clear properly or as easy as a Solution EX or Desert Heat will. Then having to "force" a ball thru the heads brings in other problems of muscling or trying to get the ball to store the proper amount of stored/conserved energy for the backend for hitting power.

This situation again isn't bad for a speed dominant player but on an average, most bowlers are defined as somewhere between 14-16 mph and that isn't considered as having high ball speed.
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Rev_O · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2006, 01:55:58 PM »

yeah, i won't forget the looks on some peoples faces when they saw clint carrying 5 totes, all with robo's in them!! wish i would have taken pics!
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