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jhutch769

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The Rising Drill Sheet
« on: October 23, 2007, 11:38:36 AM »
Hello,

We just got in a few Risings on Monday and before we drill mine, we wanted to take a closer look at the 360 degree drilling technique.  Any idea where we can get more information on that?  It says to look up trackbowling.com on the drill sheet, but neither my dad nor I were able to find further information.

We feel that the recommended drilling may be a tad too strong for me.

If anyone has any suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated.

I think my speed is 17 mph and RPM is 375-425.. can't quite remember all the numbers are on the other computer..  Have not computed my axis tilt.

Here are some links to some of my videos..

http://putfile.com/jhutch757

Thank you,

Joe


 

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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2007, 08:10:44 PM »
I'd go with the recommended drilling. It gets length easily, and will do what you want on the backend.. Rolling my pro-shop-guy's today, the ball moves..
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2007, 08:57:23 PM »
You can use any Asymmetrical Layout that you want to in these balls.  There is nothing special about this ball that makes laying it out any different from another ball.  The 360 layout thing is only really valid if you have on of the balls with the lower top and short pin.
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2007, 11:12:22 PM »
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You can use any Asymmetrical Layout that you want to in these balls.  There is nothing special about this ball that makes laying it out any different from another ball.  The 360 layout thing is only really valid if you have on of the balls with the lower top and short pin.
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Thanks telling me now i drill one for a player today and it did not roll well on the wood. I use the recommened layout and it kept overreading the midlane and it puke on the backend.
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 11:17:54 PM »
I heard an early report that this thing is a skid snap monster with a simple pin over bridge, MB under thumb layout for players with PAP coordinates of 4 1/4" - 5 1/4".  Keeping it simple and using the basic rules will probaly keep this one from spinning up too quick.  Pin high above midline for length, MB 70-90 degrees to prevent too quick of a spin up in the midlanes.
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 11:34:57 PM »
Lonce,

Add polish!


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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 11:48:08 PM »
Will polish really help that much once the core has already spun up and the ball has flared 6" by the time it gets to 30 feet?  Not saying that this is the case.... but alot of times with assymetricals this strong I've seen polish just mellow it out even more unless there is a ton of oil and the player is playing direct.  A player I've talked to is an ex advisory staffer, 400 rpms or so, 18mph.  His pin over bridge 90 deg MB layout is a monster in the backend with polish he says, his one with the perferred layout is too much in the mids and just dead roll in the backend cause it's flared out.  He said he polished that one too and it only really worked playing direct but it was a pain to kick the corners because it still placked.  I heard a few months back from guys that there would be a "slew" of layouts(up to 12) to give this ball a ton of different looks.  Any word on those?

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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 02:59:00 AM »
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You can use any Asymmetrical Layout that you want to in these balls. There is nothing special about this ball that makes laying it out any different from another ball. The 360 layout thing is only really valid if you have on of the balls with the lower top and short pin.
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Agree to disagree sir, so you're saying that a .031 mass bias differential has no significance difference vs a .007?  Are you telling people that a 3 inch mb at .007 vs a 3 inch mb at .031 makes no difference?

Therefore, if I grab your right arm and fall down (I'm a 120 lbs) vs Carl grabbing your right arm and fall down (he's about 250)...it doesn't matter...right?  

You can't treat everything the same or we wouldn't or shouldn't then need any ratings of mass bias or rg's or differential for that matter...sorry guys but I have to make this point.
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 04:35:25 AM »
DO not use polish on this ball.  It made the carry worse and the reaction worse.  The recommended layout will work for 95% of people who buy this ball.  Pretty much your pin to pap will be whatever your horizontal pap measurement is.
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2007, 08:15:09 AM »
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Lonce,

Add polish!


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did that got even worst...I hit it with a 1000 and 500 no help heading down to Seminar now in NJ with a little chip on my shoulder.
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2007, 08:29:48 AM »
the bowler specs are

pap : 5 5/8 over 1/4 up
tilt 11.5 track with 13 degrees of tilt
rotation: 40 degrees
rev rate 375+
speed: 18 mph

I did the recommended layout it came out to be 5 1/2 X 4 1/4 X 1 above

on the fresh the ball was some what clean thru the first 10-15 feet onec it hit the midlane it kick it to gear too quick it just hook- set .

I think its the Dual Plan asymmetrical design some time these ball have the habit of hook setting. i will drill the player another one today. to see the diffence.
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2007, 09:13:44 AM »
so why didn't you all post in the review for the rising?  so how many of ya don't like that ball? and how many of you are having sucess with the ball?

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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 09:41:16 AM »
Ok Carl or Rick,
 After hearing all of this tell me, say I wanted a skid flip reaction, how would you lay the ball out for me.

Bowler stats.
speed 15-16mph
rev's 350-400
pap 5 1/2> 0^
tilt 11-13 deg
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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2007, 09:47:28 AM »
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Agree to disagree sir, so you're saying that a .031 mass bias differential has no significance difference vs a .007?  Are you telling people that a 3 inch mb at .007 vs a 3 inch mb at .031 makes no difference?


Over-reacting much?  I don't think he implied that at all.  It would be hard to believe that owner of one of the most respected online shops around would say that.

I took his statement as saying that laying out a Rising is no different from any other strong asymmetric from any other company.  The One and NV lines, the former Rule and Machine lines, the Awesome balls from Morich, Epics, Paradigms, and all those other balls with significant MB diffs use basically the same drilling techniques.  In that regard, there's nothing special about the Rising.

Do you need to be more careful laying out a Rising compared to, say, a Power Groove or Nighthawk?  Sure.  Does it have requirements that those balls don't?  Heck yeah.

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Re: The Rising Drill Sheet
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 09:51:34 AM »
all track balls are going to be made skid-flip.  Same as columbia will be known for early movement, and hammer for violent backends,etc..
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