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chitown

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This is the new arsenal artillery.
« on: January 23, 2006, 10:48:11 AM »
Goo LS cover and rev master core.  This is a pearl reactive cover from what BTM says.  I don't have the specs but from what BTM says this has a low rg and high diff.  BTM says this ball has the strongest back end out of the series.

The GOO LS cover?  A different core?  Why call it an Arsenal?  From the reviews this ball will be hard to control on sport type conditions for high rev players.  This makes sense to me because of the GOO LS cover (responds to friction).

My initial impression is not favorable.  First i'm not pleased about the core because I really thought it would be similar to the AR,ANGULAR and AGGRESSIVE cores.  Next I didn't like the XCEPTION or DELTA 1 and I feel a lot of that is because of the cover: GOO LS.

For those of you that like the core will probably like this ball. Myself, i'm disappointed.

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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2006, 01:22:01 PM »
HM......the RG is lower on that ball than it was on the Revmaster.
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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2006, 01:59:22 PM »
If you take a look at the Arsenal series as a whole, the Artillery is a good completion and compliment to the line.  Forget the core shape and look at the numbers and covers.


Aggressive: Solid light load particle that's very strong and pretty even rolling.  Requires some head oil to be affective but pretty versatile. Medium-low RG and high diff.  Good when they are fresh.

Reactive: Solid/pearl mix with a very log RG core. Good compliment to the Aggressive when you need a little  more kick downlane on the medium-heavy patterns but you still need a strong midlane move. Low RG and high diff.

Angular: Light load pearl particle.  Pretty strong downlane but can be a little over/under on some conditions.  Gets very good length but still can hook a little early on dry heads because of the particle.  Not as clean as GOO LS.  Med-low RG and med-high diff.

Artillery:  Pearl Goo LS cover which is a very clean cover through the fronts but still pretty strong downlane.  It's stronger IMHO than Power Plus.  I've never had a ball corner like the Xception can.  Add in a low RG core and a med-high diff, and you have a ball potentially that's good when the the volume of oil is light but long and when the Aggressive/Reactive are just too early.  The low RG, higher flare symmetrical core should help the control issues that most had with the Xception.  

I'm actually glad that Track's finally using GOO on a symmetrical core.

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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2006, 02:35:17 PM »
The diff listed (0.046) is much lower than the Revmaster's was at 0.059. More along the lines of the Xception. So, lower RG than the X but virtually same differential. Core specs, in fact, are close to the FAZ that it's replacing.

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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2006, 02:57:29 PM »
I'm looking for something that cover's as many boards as the A. Reactive but get's farther down lane, that is symmetrical. This ball looks as if it HAS to have some dry downlane to turn. Probably as much length as the X but not as much backend.

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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2006, 07:15:13 PM »
Just wait and see, everyone out here will be very happy with the reaction, perfect fit for the Arsenal line.
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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2006, 11:14:26 PM »
I really like how achappy gave a brief breakdown of each of the Arsenals' properties.  It's easy to see that the Arsenal line of balls offers a wide range of oil-handling capabilities as well as reaction shapes.  I'm sure the Arsenal Artillery won't disappoint!
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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2006, 12:01:18 AM »
I will wait and see.  I know if the AR/AGGRESSIVE is to strong the angular is a nice step down.  This ball I guess is supposed to be when the heads are dried up but there is light long oil down lane?

I will wait to see what everyone thinks about this ball.  I'm in no hurry to run out and get this one.

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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2006, 07:35:25 AM »
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The Rev was a great ball, glad they are bringing it back out....can't wait to see it!

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The Revmaster and probably the new Artillery had/has the potential to be a great ball if yoU have high ball speed or if you have low revs, neither of which I have. I think if you don't fall into one of the above two categories, you need either a special drilling or a surface modification or a little of both to make this ball work properly. The Revmaster was a short lived ball becuase it filled a specialty niche. A very few people loved it; the rest could take or leave it or just hated it.
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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2006, 07:41:22 AM »
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If you take a look at the Arsenal series as a whole, the Artillery is a good completion and compliment to the line.  Forget the core shape and look at the numbers and covers.

Artillery:  Pearl Goo LS cover which is a very clean cover through the fronts but still pretty strong downlane.  It's stronger IMHO than Power Plus.  I've never had a ball corner like the Xception can.  Add in a low RG core and a med-high diff, and you have a ball potentially that's good when the the volume of oil is light but long and when the Aggressive/Reactive are just too early.  The low RG, higher flare symmetrical core should help the control issues that most had with the Xception.  

I'm actually glad that Track's finally using GOO on a symmetrical core.



Anthony,

As much as I love looking at the numbers (and you know I LOVE that), you can't just look at the specification numbers. I did, when this thread was first posted and thought almost nothing of the Artillery.

Then I saw the BTM review
(everyone, don't just say their reviews are no good because that is totally invalid. I don't agree with some of them, but their high spread coverage and descriptions are the best there is. No one else's comes close.)
and I just don't like or feel comfortable with the "sound" and look of the review numbers or the descriptions.

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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2006, 02:17:22 PM »
This ball at first glance compares to The Action. Low RG,High Diff. Goo LS(M80)

I have seen a wide range of people be very successful with this type of ball.  High Rev players take a note from the tour guys.  Drill it 5 to 5 1/2 " from the PAP so it will get down the lane for you.  I know I am looking forward to having this type of ball in the line.
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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2006, 02:21:34 PM »
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This ball at first glance compares to The Action. Low RG,High Diff. Goo LS(M80)

I have seen a wide range of people be very successful with this type of ball.  High Rev players take a note from the tour guys.  Drill it 5 to 5 1/2 " from the PAP so it will get down the lane for you.  I know I am looking forward to having this type of ball in the line.
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I'm a high rev player and I don't like the goo ls cover.  The cover responds to friction very well.  This type of cover is not very controllable.  The review in BTM also stated this ball wouldn't be good for sport patterns for a high rev player.  

I tend to agree with them with respect to the goo ls cover.

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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2006, 11:45:11 AM »
How does the GOO LS compare to the Power Pack on the Reactive?

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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2006, 11:49:04 AM »
If Goo LS and PP have the same surface prep the Goo LS goes longer and backends more. Suprisingly it is quite noticeable, I didn't think that would be the case. Track is onto something really good with the GOO LS.
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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2006, 04:00:01 PM »
Keep in mind folks, You have only seen GooLS on asymmetrical balls.. which, by the very nature of the core, lose axis rotation faster and generally create more torque at the breakpoint.  Symmetrical balls have a longer transition phase. I think that you will be in for a big surprise when you see and throw this ball. I know for a fact the BTM High Rev ball tester is chomping at the bit to pull this thing out of his bag.
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Re: This is the new arsenal artillery.
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2006, 08:04:17 PM »
Thanks Duck my words exactly.
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