Author Topic: Weak Ball drilled strong/strong ball drilled weak (Read 2533 times)

AdrianS · « **on:** August 06, 2007, 11:18:50 PM »

Hmmm, whos done this with their Track gear to see what happens. My Arsenal Reactive has the pin 2" from pap, the old 'pin at 2 o clock' label shift(almost retired it, kept it in the bag in the end) And today i redilled my Desert Heat with pin 3 /5/8 from pap, balance hole 6" from grip centre(cg way out for what its worth

!!) The 'weak' strong ball i find smoother through the lane but bad for flying heads. The Desert of course i need the dry backs and some dry to the right but geez i can give that thing a good handfull where the strong ball i have to stay with the stroker type release. So anyone else got there Solutions, Dry or Desert heats and 'loaded them up' and put something mild on a Gp2, Delta 1, Phenom or other 'monster ball' att he same time?
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Billy Ray · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2007, 07:00:18 PM »

I use weaker balls drilled stronger when the heads are going or gone but there is carrydown to deal with where you need the weaker cover to clear the heads but start up in the mids to get through the carrydown.

I use stronger balls drilled weaker for shorter/fresher conditions when I need to have a stronger cover to read the pattern earlier and bleed off some energy but control the backend this usually allow me to over surface the ball also but the weaker pin stores enough energy to hit.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2007, 11:39:46 PM »

I normally drill a ball to do what it was manufactured and designed to do.

-Carl
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Billy Ray · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2007, 09:06:06 AM »

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I normally drill a ball to do what it was manufactured and designed to do.

-Carl
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and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

That would be great but unfortunately up here in the northeast we dont always have the best surfaces or competent lane men and we bowl on alot of broken down junk on terrible lanes surfaces so we have to trick it up alot more than alot of places.

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AdrianS · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2007, 10:37:08 AM »

Sounds like down here, nasty lane surface, but good laneman instead!!!

(me!!!). Dont worry, the Desert and AR still do pretty much what they're desinged to do, they just behave a little different through the back 30 ft of the lane. Remember the Desert was pin on PAP before, actually skids a little further now. And the AR doesnt jump as much. Got an Unleashed to add to the pile tomorrow, got it with the pin under the brdge and flip MB location, this is gonna be fun to throw!!!
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2007, 10:49:41 AM »

That Billy Ray is a smart man...and a nice guy...has helped me in the past tremendously!

REgards,

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shelley · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2007, 11:05:12 AM »

Clint Daley's made whole arsenals out of really strong balls, using layouts and surface preps to work all the way down to lighter oils with GP2, Animals, and Robo-Rules.

SH

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2007, 08:23:15 PM »

Look at it this way: There was a similiar question about laying everything out the same in last months's BJ. Mike Riggin's answered it like this: "A rose is a rose by any other name is still a rose". Drilling everything identical is just robbing yourself of what could really be accomplished with the balls you have.

I like that statement when it comes to bowling equipment as well. If you are bowling in regional events or in a PBA Experience League then drilling a strong ball weak may work.

-Carl
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Billy Ray · « **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2007, 08:42:24 AM »

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That Billy Ray is a smart man...and a nice guy...has helped me in the past tremendously!

REgards,

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Lefty you make me blush but I am glad you are having success!

I believe part of my job as a pro shop professional and a staff player is to promote the sport of bowling and to change the thinking of many bowlers whose thinking has been swayed by all the marketing guru's of all the manufacturers. The pro shop professionals job is to provide the bowler (the customer) the best information and help him make proper choices for improving his or her game. I think we should work to give them the ball reaction they need to score and not necessarily the reaction that looks the prettiest! I can't count how many guys that come to me similiarly to what LuckyLefty did asking questions about problems they are having matching up. SO many Pro Shops will drill something for a customer that looks great on the lane but if the bowler isnt able to repeat shots like a tour guy the ball isnt going to work as well as something that would be more controllable with more forgiveness and the league bowler gets a ball that when he pures it is awesome but when he doesnt its ugly. I tell alot of guys this and Lefty can attest to this also as he has benefitted from this logic, "It's not flashy but you can strike all day with it!" Bottom line is the score not how much it flips and hooks in the last 15 feet. Also in our area we have alot of guys that want to buy the latest high end ball thinking it will fix their problems, I, like alot of other pro's work hard to get the customer in the right ball and proper layout/surface and alot of times the right ball is not the high end ball when a middle line ball will give them exactly what they want.
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Jesse James · « **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2007, 03:52:52 PM »

AdrianS and Billy Ray, this is a great topic! I first heard this philosophy from Lucky Lefty when I first started reading reviews on Ball reiviews, a few years back. It is some of the best advice I was ever given.

Drill strong balls weak and weak balls strong....excellent. It just gives you great variety of angles in which to attack the lanes. I have never forgotten this, and continue to do it these days.

Case in point, I bowl with a buddy who maxs out every ball he's ever bought. Consequently, every ball he owns is drilled 3-3/8 x 3-3/8. When he hits a truly tough condition, then he has made himself totally cover dependent. If he didn't happen to bring a ball along with the right surface, that allows him to score.......he don't score! Feast or famine! No in betweens.

Following the philosophy that you we're talking about now will allow you to set up an arsenal of the same ball, and play in and around the track area, as well as score from multiple lines. And.....I've found it makes the game a whole lot easier, too.
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Author Topic: Weak Ball drilled strong/strong ball drilled weak (Read 2533 times)

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