Author Topic: Whats going on here? (Read 2240 times)

AdrianS · « **on:** June 16, 2004, 07:26:59 AM »

OK, my EMB pearl is a bit of a worry atm, At my latest tourney(Melbourne Cup) last weekend i was not getting the look i expected at all. With the leverage pin this ball revs up early and hard but doesn't seem to have much pop on the backs. I'm not sure if its the ball burning up or just not having the tires to get round the corner(most Animal throwers didn't seem to be having that problem!) Would hitting it with clean and sheen give it a little more bite? maybe a bit higher pin, say 5 inches in combination with the slightly scuffed surface for a different look, or just bin the EMB and Track down a Spell or Assassin(last resort!)
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Amleto · « **Reply #1 on:** June 17, 2004, 07:40:07 AM »

It's quite an old ball now so my first question is - how many games have youplayed with it? maybe it is a bit tracked?
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AdrianS · « **Reply #2 on:** June 17, 2004, 09:52:03 AM »

Not many, 30 or so seeing i only picked it up new last year. It's got some slight scratching so a visit to the spinner sometime in the next 3 months(no major tourneys till then) should be on the cards. I wouldn't mind the higher pin layout just to get the flare stated a little more downlane. Being the first particle i've had since a short lived and unhappy stint with a Jade Quantum i'm still going through a bit of trial and error.
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #3 on:** June 17, 2004, 04:22:00 PM »

A bigger question is where is the emb logo. If the emb is left the ball is drilled to stop in the back. If the emb is to the right of grip line I would move the pin left to give it more length and have the emb two to three inches right of grip line. I had several embs and my favorite was with the pin at 5" and the emb three inches right of the vertical grip line. It was clean through the front with a big sweeping hook in the back. It was a very hard hitting ball. I also drilled a couple with the emb negative and they didn't corner well at all. They still hit hard but didn't carry well. I hope this helps.

AdrianS · « **Reply #4 on:** June 17, 2004, 08:40:57 PM »

Would that give me a negative cg placement? the ball has a 2" pin.
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2004, 01:00:33 PM »

Most likely it will give you a negative cg. On the emb the cg is not used in the drilling pattern. The only thing you deal with the cg is to make the ball legal. I have drilled several that needed an extra hole around 8 to 9 inches on the negative side of the ball. All of them rolled excelent.

The way to look at these balls is to picture two weight blocks. The first one is the pin and you use it to dictate what the ball does in the front part of the lane. The second is the emb logo, and you use it to dictate the backend motion of the ball.

AdrianS · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2004, 11:01:58 PM »

My ball also had 4oz top before it was drilled so it would probably need a hole, with that much top wouldn't it have to be closer than 9"?

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I've only had this problem on Anvilane, on HPL's and Wood it has no problem turning the corner, maybe just bagging it on Brunswick synthetics will 'solve' the problem.
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2004, 12:24:06 PM »

The reason for going 9" is to get the hole on the other side of your track. You don't want to track over the extra hole. Mine had a simular top weight and I had a very small hole at 9". How much will the cg be negative when you lay it out?

AdrianS · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2004, 12:59:56 AM »

I haven't got the ball in front of me right now so if if you've got one nearby thumbs-away could you tell me where the cg would be if i stuck the pin under my bridge and swung the logo out 3" from the centre line(2" pin on my ball remember)
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2004, 02:04:24 PM »

I don't have one around but I am guessing the cg would be around an inch to an inch in a half negative. I think mine was 1 and 1/2 inch negative with an 5/8 hole at nine inches 3" deep.

AdrianS · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2004, 03:45:12 AM »

Just another thought, would laying it out negative barbell(135 degrees) produce a similar result? Or is this layout very close to what we've already talked about?
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2004, 11:50:38 AM »

Describe what you are talking about;. That could mean a lot of different things to a lot of people. Give me a pin placement, emb placement and a cg placement.

AdrianS · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2004, 08:36:23 PM »

Thats when the CG is placed in the finger/negative quadrant and the hole is positioned past the bow-tie point on a line from grip centre through the CG. The pin position i guess would depend on how much flare you want. I've seen it on balls like the Inferno where it's produced a pretty sharp breakpoint followed by strong set/forward roll reaction. I'm guessing the EMB would give me a look different to this as the EMB placement would stop the ball from setting up like other balls would.
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2004, 12:05:00 PM »

If you are thinking about doing that where are you thinking about putting the pin and emb?

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