Author Topic: Whats with the Phoenix? (Read 6612 times)

Aloarjr810 · « **on:** March 06, 2007, 12:30:48 PM »

Are they going to have it or not?
I've seen alot about it not being produced and stuff. Now I was talking with the proshop guy.
He said he got some paper from track saying they are going to produce it.

dw23 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 09, 2007, 10:18:23 AM »

Thanks again New Guy for your insight.

Well said jls31316 although a few that do not understand business will come on and dispute your comment.

Ebonite, Hammer, Columbia and Track are all doing well in Southern California. In discussions with 8 pro shop owners and a couple of distributors the company that was struggling out here was Storm. The Agent line and the Shift may be helping to change that.

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qstick777 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 09, 2007, 10:22:46 AM »

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Columbia was exclusive with BASF Ebonite has their exclusive agreements and Bruswick has theirs with Mobay (bayer)
Ebonite does not have the formulas to the existing coverstocks but could purchase it exactly as it was blended from BASF if they wanted to. They simply chose not to, they could have taken the high road on why they did not wish to launch the ball by simply stating that they purchased the brands and plan on taking a different direction regarding performance. Instead they chose to use several different excuses and directions as to why they did not want to release the balls. Performance, durability, USBC approval and on and on. NO would have been the perfect answer and one we all would have to accept.

Thanks for that.

I posted a while back about the coverstock suppliers, but have not been able to find anything about Ebonite/Hammer. Columbia was upfront about using BASF and it's easy to find out about Brunswick and Bayer.

Would you mind telling us (or giving a hint) as to who supplies the coverstock/chemicals for Ebonite?
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shelley · « **Reply #33 on:** March 09, 2007, 10:31:26 AM »

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What is funny to me is that people talk on here about Eboniite/Hammer coverstocks not lasting, when Ebonite/Hammer is the top brand in the country.

C'mon, man, you know better than that. If best selling were about longevity, there'd be Dynos and Legends in every bag.

Every year there's a hot company who puts out a couple of balls that everyone seems to want. This year (and arguably last year) it's Ebonite's One series, a few years ago it was Storm X-factors and Brunswick Infernos and Zones. Last year it was Columbia Actions. Who knows what it'll be next year. That they're the top sellers in the country only says they're making a butt-load of money, not necessarily that they're long-lasting balls.

SH

shelley · « **Reply #34 on:** March 09, 2007, 02:34:07 PM »

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So it would sound to me like the C300 and Track lines are going to need to be rebuilt from the ground up??

It is the end of the season, they'd be updating most of their lineups for next year in the next few months anyway. Not necessarily a big deal unless you were really jonesing for some of the current equipment.

SH

qstick777 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 09, 2007, 04:57:33 PM »

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Columbia was exclusive with BASF Ebonite has their exclusive agreements and Bruswick has theirs with Mobay (bayer)
Ebonite does not have the formulas to the existing coverstocks but could purchase it exactly as it was blended from BASF if they wanted to. They simply chose not to, they could have taken the high road on why they did not wish to launch the ball by simply stating that they purchased the brands and plan on taking a different direction regarding performance. Instead they chose to use several different excuses and directions as to why they did not want to release the balls. Performance, durability, USBC approval and on and on. NO would have been the perfect answer and one we all would have to accept.

If Ebonite does not have the formulas to the existing coverstocks, then we are not going to see the same balls we had, Action series, Power machine, Hyjinx, etc. They may put the balls out, but without the same formula coverstocks they would not be the same balls we are used to. So it would sound to me like the C300 and Track lines are going to need to be rebuilt from the ground up?? Sounds very interesting, we will just have to wait to see the people they hire and the business directions they take with the individual brands.

They were pretty much done with those lines anyways.....how many more Actions and Machines do you think they were going to make?

Since they have to resubmit all balls for approval, they might as well start all over again. I can't say if that is a good or bad thing, just different.

Without knowing how many Columbia/Track/DT people are being kept, we may see similar ball designs or something completely different...all depends on the designers/engineers.

You are correct....without the same coverstock formulas and cores, we will not see the same products.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #36 on:** March 10, 2007, 03:30:58 PM »

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somebody in Ebonite is from Arizona and had a bad experience in Phoenix once;

Best reason yet.
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Aloarjr810

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