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Dewey24

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Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« on: February 11, 2009, 03:57:51 AM »
Now that the Masters is back bowling at the tournament site, do those that bowl the Masters have an advantage in the Open?
I realize that they will use two different oil patterns on the lanes. So for discussions sake, we will say that is a given. But because you bowl on the actual tournament lanes do you have the advantage:
1. Which lanes tend to be tighter?
2. What the approaches are like?
3. How the lanes break down.  
Now I also know that the shot will break down differently because of several hundred different factors. (Heat vs AC, Lights Blah blah blah)
Just looking for different opinions.
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Balldoctor

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 05:57:08 PM »
There was a rule, you had to bowl The Masters before you bowled the old ABC Nationals. Now it is automatic.
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 05:58:52 PM »
I notice the low end scores better already, I was talking about this earlier with my buddy who is bowling it.
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Platinum Bowler

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 10:14:40 PM »
I don't really see how anyone could really get too much of an advantage out of bowling the Masters before the Open, except maybe seeing what part of the house (convention center) might be scoring best. But to add a comment to mrbowlingnut's post, the low side always seems to be scoring the best at the Open...

I heard a lot of the people who are bowling the Master's are staying there to bowl the Open in the first week when it starts, but I'm not sure how true that is, since the Open is still over a week away from starting...
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riggs

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 06:39:42 AM »
Advantage, if any, is minor. Different lane pattern is biggest factor. But also the breakdowns of the pattern are way different moving pairs with Masters bowlers vs. staying on 3 pairs with your teammates.
The one possible advantage would be seeing something real out of whack about a pair and then drawing it for the USBC.
Thing is, it also could work against you if you get a thought in your head about something and it turns out to be wrong.
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Phoneman

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 06:41:05 AM »
I was there on Tuesday watching and the high scores were all over the place.  There was a 279 shot on 59 and 60 and also one on 25 and 26.  I did not see any diffrence between the low and high end.  One strange thing I did notice is that the main walk in runway where the team event bowlers walk out is not in the center of the lanes.  It is around lane 40 due to the large folding door pockets behind the lanes that they use to seperate the conventions hall rooms.
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Jorge300

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 07:32:42 AM »
I see no advantage bowling the Masters. There are 3 main reasons why:

1) Oil Pattern is totally different - while the USBC pattern, whatever it will be, is tougher then a THS, it is no where near the Masters' pattern.

2)Breakdown will be different - especially if you have a team working together at Nationals to break down the pattern.

3)Atmosphere is totally different - While some may feel some pressure bowling at Nationals, it is usually more for fun. While the Masters is for $60,000, and if you are a PBA member, a 2 year exemption. That will make a difference as well.

You may have a tiny advantage of knowing the approaches and their tackiness/sliding but it is not enough to give any kind of advantage in scoring at Nationals.
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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 07:51:23 AM »
One thing I must say about the masters pattern I saw was on the fresh oil the scores were really down.  Once the pattern broke down it played for higher scores.  The problem I saw was the way the pattern broke down it really was diffrent.  If you got the ball out it was not coming back at all.  If you missed inside it was thru the nose.  I am not sure what the pattern is for the MAsters but I was watching quite a few good games and they were playing the lanes very similar to how I played the lanes last year at Nationals.  There was a very good break point around the 10 board range marker.  But you had to nail that or it was a missed shot completely.
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KDawg77

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 08:00:51 AM »
THe only real advantage you would gain from bowling such a big tournament is the experience of pacing, moving massives sets of lanes, and other nuances.
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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 08:44:10 AM »
You could get a feel for the approaches.  Bowled the Military Championships at the Gold Coast and those approaches were like ice.  The whole time your thinking about that and not bowling.  Even changing soles didn't work, you were either skating all over or you put different sole and stuck.  Other then getting a feel for the place I don't see any advantage.
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Z Jellsey

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 12:23:27 PM »
These are the best approaches (textured synthetic) I have ever bowled on...every center should be forced to use these. It didn't help me bowl any better as I had 1 of my worst tournaments in a long while, but I couldn't say one negative thing about the approaches.

As for having an advantage, I would say none, other than the simple fact that you are already acquainted with the place, sights, sounds, long walks to the bathroom, $8 bowls of chili and little stuff like that . Bowling in a convention center is always a bit different.
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 01:11:47 PM »
I saw Zack Jellsey a few frames, you throw the ball well but looked like break and carry where not your friend yesterday.
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Z Jellsey

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 01:22:10 PM »
Thanks Bowling nut. Carry was very hard to come by for me both days. I don't think it was so much of me getting bad luck as it was caused by me using the wrong bowling balls. I learn something new every time I lace em up!

The 1st day disaster was caused by me throwing it all over the building (sorry to anybody I may have grazed with any of my errant shots).
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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 10:08:10 PM »
I'm surprised that the convention center is still together after your first day.
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Z Jellsey

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Re: Bowling Masters advantage for bowling USBC Open
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 10:12:35 PM »
LMAO! I was too sick to even think about getting mad. Funny thing is, my "look" was far better the 1st block and I scored 120 pins worse...go figure.
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