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Author Topic: Sarasota Bowler Leads Open -Has it struck again in the USBC Classified Event?  (Read 4087 times)

Bill Thomas

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I looked up the new all events leader in the USBC Open Classified division and see that he got in Classified with a 180 average for 102 games in 2010-11.  However here are his averages for this year and prior years:
     2011-12  190/102 games
     2009-10  193/84 games
                   192/72 games
     2008-09  198/90 games
                   194/96 games

I'm not knocking the bowler.  He apparently played by the current USBC Open rules.  But the rules just don't make sense to me.  IMO, if they ever want to bring integrity to the Classified division,  they have to go to either a composite average and/or an average based on USBC Open participation or get rid of Classified.

 

strikeking

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He may have followed the "rules" but he is still a cheater.
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TWOHAND834

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First of all, what we should be looking at is what his averages were before the 2010-2011 season.  If he averaged 195+ in previous years, then averaged 180 for one season and then back up to 195, that will tell more than just coparing last year to this year.  Another thing is we are being way too judgmental.  Whose to say he bowl at a crap house that had no oil and averaged that 180 and then tried a different house(s) this season and thats why averages went up?  OR.......whose to say that he was using some old crappy equipment that was drilled bad and couldnt score but then got with a better pro shop that fixed his equipment and now he is scoring better?  OR.....whose to say that he wasnt able to get some coaching in the past and struggled a bit and now he has been able to get some lessons under his belt that has helped him increase his average this year?  Lets remember that every house condition is different from center to center across America.  I typically "average" 230 on a "house shot".  But there was one year I was managing at a local center and decided to bowl in a league there and barely averaged 210.  Why you ask?  Because that center in the evenings did not strip and re-oil the lanes before league.  They just put a 30 foot filler shot over what was left over from the morning oiling which was only 36 feet in length.  So needless to say I struggled trying to control the breakpoint.  But also, I was not as educated about surface changes and layout changes at the time.  High average in the house at the time was 216 by, of all people, the center Manager who was 18mph at release with a 225rpm rev rate. 

There are all kinds of reasons why this can happen.  We can judge all we want.  But the fact remains that all he is doing this year compared to last is making one more spare a game or carrying one more strike.  NOW....if he got in at 180 but is now averging 210+, then I could see a reason to think something else is going on.  This isnt anything different that doesnt happen to every handicap tournament or even scratch tournaments with multiple average divisions.  Welcome to bowling!
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Bill Thomas

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The point is that USBC goes through similar situations as this almost every year.  Yet they refuse to do anything to address the problem and look at alternative rules.

P.S.  If you go further back on this guy, it appears he was for a number of years a solid 200+ average.  But I still say he played by the rules as they currently exist.  Its the rules that are the problem not any one individual.

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The story about him on Bowl.com says he is 56. Seems to me that dude might have lost a step or two in recent years. Not defending him, but as someone closing in on that age, things just don't always work like they did in years past.  ;D

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I know a guy from my association that due to work schedule change the only league he could bowl in was a 6 lane club house.  It was sanctioned.  he is normally a 215 average bowler.  Well to  get to the point he averaged about 155-160 for a full year at the club, went to states and murdered it.  He made about $1500 from the tourney itself and about $800 in brackets because of the handicap he got.

Another couple I know of all they do is bowl at the club setting and the go and kill it at the mixed state tourneys.  The wife averages about 125, but at tourneys she rarely shoots under a 185.  The Husband is better about a 150 average at the club.  And he fares very well when he bowls doubles at these mixed tourneys.  If thats not sandbagging/Cheating I dont know what is.

Russell

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Im with TWOHAND....really doubt there is any foul play.  This will continue to happen until bowling can go to some sort of true handicapping system.  Something where each center has a handicap rating....(like golf).

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He played with in the rules of the tournament to this point. All averages I am sure will be reverified prior to anounncing the winners with in the classified division.

Having said that, in a tournament of this magnitude, I think there should be rule modifications in the classified the division that go beyond your highest book the previous season and are you 10 pins higher this year ( I guess those are the rules). I would agree with Bill that you should take a look at a 2 to 3 average history, whether the USBC chooses to use the highest in that time frame or a composite of that time frame.

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I haven't looked, but is it possible the 180 avg. was for a sport league instead of a THS?

Is there some accomodation in the averages for the difference between a regular and sport league?
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r534me

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No sport leagues since 2004 listed for him and only in the summer.  He must not have been 10 pins over as of Jan 1 because he would not qualified for classified.