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Dave81644

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tonights live stream
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:07:09 PM »
I know some of the guys on T&C lanes, very good bowlers.
I think they had 3500 last year
it looked just like we currently have in our sport league- tough!
very little miss room in or out
seems speed and release sensitive from what i have been experiencing and from what i saw tonight.



 

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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2015, 10:45:13 AM »
Think I was more shocked at the fact so many guys were playing between 15-20 and looping the ball.  Maybe they felt like they broke down the outside enough to go ahead and move in.  Not sure without talking to them.
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Dave81644

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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2015, 12:19:08 PM »
It seems to transition quickly, cant stay in one place to long from what we are seeing in league
i seemed to have a better, longer look the more i stayed out
but im on the left side and we had 3 guys that time
i think that if i can keep the breakpoint out around 4-5-6 i will have a chance to keep the ball in play.
although it also seems release and speed sensitive as well
its pretty tough

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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2015, 12:46:41 PM »
It definitely looks demanding. To me, it seems like you want to keep your angles tight and get the ball to 6-7-8 or so down the lane in the early going. It also seems like most guys were going fairly strong with the equipment. I definitely saw a few Hyper Cells and other balls of that type. Obviously, I have no idea what type of surface grit they were going with, but I can't imagine they went overly gritty or else they would've blown the heads apart. As the set moved along, some guys balled down and tried to stay put while a few others went to stuff that was a bit cleaner up front and a little stronger in back. Still, nobody got terribly deep, which has to be expected with a pattern that short.

Honestly, even though I know it's going to play harder than it has in recent years, I still think it's a lot of same old, same old to anyone who bowls on Sport-compliant patterns. Straighter is going to be greater, you aren't going to have much miss room in either direction, things will work best for teams that break them in together, and you'd better have your spare game ready until the lanes work in and things open up (if you allow them to open up).

The teams/players who do that will end up on top just as they always do. Now, the numbers beside their name may end up being a bit lower than what we've seen in a while. Still, I think most of us over-think the whole thing. Bring some balls that give you different looks. Practice on the pattern beforehand if at all possible, and do the best you can.


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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2015, 08:27:15 PM »
Practiced on it last night..  Tons of different variables ( mainly we have HPLs, an old Kustiodian+, in Michigan, and we don't use ICE ) but it played very very hard..

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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2015, 09:39:38 AM »
I practiced on it over the weekend.  I felt it was very tough, as everyone has stated.  We even had a local tournament with that shot, and none of the 30 or so bowlers were positive for 6 games.

The very outside (5 and out) played kind of squirty on my practice pair, although nothing in the pattern would make me think that.  Definitely could be that only one pair was oiled (while burning a pair).  Using the track friction at our house was the best play, because our lane beds are older, but I know that won't be the case in El Paso, unless going in June helps.

I tried everything in my bag and not much gave me a consistent look.  I don't know what to drill up, but am considering a 900 Global Break Down with a very smooth back end layout.

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 07:10:02 PM »
After watched the first 2 live streams - I'm seriously wondering if spending the $$ to ship my Crux is even worth it.   Sure does not appear that an Asymmetrical drilled to go long and snap hard off the break point has any business at all even being in the building.  I'm thinking Symmetrical, mild layouts and various surfaces are in store.  IQ Tour Nano and Rocket here I come....  :-)

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2015, 08:03:37 PM »
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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2015, 10:32:08 PM »
if you have 1 guy who doesn't want to cooperate, the pattern goes fubar in a hurry
im told they are super, super clean up front down there and the back ends fly
typical NATS pattern
Actually, tonight, we used shiny in practice, stayed out with it for most of game 1
created some carry down and a little hold, had to ball up game 2
game 3 the finally turned decent

no matter what, where - you still have to throw it well, every shot

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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2015, 10:03:21 AM »
From what I have seen, and I haven't had a chance to fully watch both streams yet, just snipets, this seems to be a good plan of attack. Start with something medium playing outside, ball up when the carrydown starts, then start to chase the pattern in as it drys up, balling back down if needed. Some may use something shined to start, I was thinking more along the lines of a Venom Shock, OOB with lane shine. It will be smoother off the end of the pattern to help control the back-ends and then ball up to maybe a Darkness if needed.


if you have 1 guy who doesn't want to cooperate, the pattern goes fubar in a hurry
im told they are super, super clean up front down there and the back ends fly
typical NATS pattern
Actually, tonight, we used shiny in practice, stayed out with it for most of game 1
created some carry down and a little hold, had to ball up game 2
game 3 the finally turned decent

no matter what, where - you still have to throw it well, every shot
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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2015, 10:11:16 AM »
I think the biggest problem so far is that everyone has been trying to play it straight to start.  With as clean as the backends are, if you play straight, you have to be a LOT more accurate.  Little misses outside stay there, little misses inside instantly go left.  From what I've seen and from bowling on it, the shot isn't going to burn up nearly as quickly as everyone thinks.  Thinking back to years before, remembering seeing people get deep, has anyone gotten that deep at all on the streams?  The shot has held up remarkably well if you notice.  The scores also get better as people move inside and away from trying to play straight.  Playing straight has proven several times to be iffy at best.  Yes it's tight no matter where you play, but I really believe playing straight is a mistake.  Start wherever the shot looks the best and adjust from there, I don't think there's any way 10 people chew that much oil up in 3 games. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2015, 03:24:57 PM »
With the pattern being that flat, it will be hard to carve the backend. I've only bowled on the pattern once and it is tough on the fresh. Your launch angles have to be really straight through the front. I'm wonder if trying to push the oil down lane in the middle would work. It's hard to say.

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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2015, 09:46:03 PM »
it seems like the minors pattern plays a little better swinging it. the team pattern definitely was better staying out and trying to beat up 6-7-8
however, 1 guy crossing to many boards and that pattern is gone

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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2015, 10:38:35 AM »
From practicing on the pattern and also bowling a 8 game sweeper on the pattern in a different house, I can say that if you are playing the straighter line you better be able to split boards.  At both houses I have had a better look going from like 15-10 around that with a medium ball pin down with 2000 grit and up to 4000 grit.  This has worked with my 900 Global All Day and Breakdowns.    I did not shoot anything great at the 8 game sweeper, but ended -39 for the tournament.  On practice at my normal house the straighter I go the less forgiving this pattern is.  If you look at how the Masters pattern is played most of the pro's are not playing it straight, same idea as it is a shorter flat pattern....
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Re: tonights live stream
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2015, 01:23:13 PM »
it seems like the minors pattern plays a little better swinging it. the team pattern definitely was better staying out and trying to beat up 6-7-8
however, 1 guy crossing to many boards and that pattern is gone

the guy that shot the 300 in minors was definitely swinging out to about 10 to 8 at the breakpoint, but around 15 at the arrows. He definitely was controlling the ball speed, as you can tell he wasn't trying to push it to the friction. On the other side of that, he was lucky with tripping the 4 pin on the 10th and 12 shot, while puring the 11th.

So volume of oil notwithstanding, I'm surprised to see people playing more inside and wheeling it on the longer pattern.

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