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TWOHAND834

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USBC and the Two handers
« on: February 08, 2010, 02:59:48 AM »
So I call USBC rules department this morning and spoke to this guy whose name I wont mention.  Told him that I was aware of rule changes based on two handers as far as drillings and thumb holes in the ball are concerned.  Told him that when I went out there last year, I had no issues.  But, another guy from my area had gone out there and was told in the scale room that they needed him to try and put his thumb in the thumb hole as though there was a size requirement for the hole.  The rule book this year doesnt state anything about span length, thumb hole size, and weight hole specs for bowlers who do not use a thumb.  It says nothing about having to be your "true" span length (my normal span is 4 1/8) but my equipment is drilled 3 3/4 and the thumb hole is directly under the ring finger so I can cover it with my palm if I have to.  

So the rules guy at USBC tells me, "You are not sure what is going to happen in the scale room.  You may or may not be asked to prove the thumb hole drilled is useful."  SO....he is a rules person who cant tell me what the rules are in regards to proper drillings for two handers.  He did ask, "Can you cover the thumb hole with your thumb or palm of your hand?"  I said yes.  He then stated, "You should not have anything to worry about.  But why dont you drill your thumb holes to normal size?"  I told him that there were no rules regarding hole size if you dont use a thumb and since my track clips the hole, that the smaller the hole, the less time my track will hit that hole and that I had to have a hole there for static weight requirements. His next course of action was to transfer me to someone else and that he could not tell me what to expect once I get to Reno.  

Nothing in the rulebook states anything about covering the hole with your palm in regards to USBC.  For the record, I did go to the pro shop and drilled my virtual thumb holes a little bigger.  I am so glad that they can clarify rules regarding bowlers who throw the ball in a manner that I do.  

My question is:  why have rules for two handers in the rule book if you are not sure how those rules apply at your own tournament (USBC Tournament)?
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JessN16

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Re: USBC and the Two handers
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2010, 10:07:49 PM »
pssshhh...this is nothing. We just had the two-handed, thumbless junior bowler son of one of my leaguemates get banned from a tournament last week because the tournament director asserted "two-handed bowling is illegal." Also subsequently refused to even open a rule book. "I know I'm right" was his response to my friend's objections.

Lots of One-Bullet Barneys in charge of this sport.

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Re: USBC and the Two handers
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2010, 10:16:18 PM »
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pssshhh...this is nothing. We just had the two-handed, thumbless junior bowler son of one of my leaguemates get banned from a tournament last week because the tournament director asserted "two-handed bowling is illegal." Also subsequently refused to even open a rule book. "I know I'm right" was his response to my friend's objections.

Lots of One-Bullet Barneys in charge of this sport.

Jess


That's crazy. I don't know why people make that big of a stink about it.. its just a glorified no thumb release...

but to say it is illegal just to say it is and not let someone into a tournament.. that is dumb..

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Re: USBC and the Two handers
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2010, 11:17:26 PM »
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Lets be honest.  Most of the people at the local level, who are USBC officials or in office are clue less about the rules, and the sport in general.

This is the 1st problem with the sport.  The people who puff out their chest, because they are in charge, do not know any of the rules at all.

Then the USBC rules department, do not even know their own rules.  

Good news is they fired about 30 people from the USBC HQ and will be even more clueless about the sport!

Yea Bowling!

Edited on 2/12/2010 11:28 PM


So are you a local Director?  Or do you just like to bash those that are trying to help?
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JessN16

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Re: USBC and the Two handers
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2010, 12:28:27 AM »
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So are you a local Director?  Or do you just like to bash those that are trying to help?
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I don't know if he is, but I used to be. Here's what I learned during two years as an association president:

1) There are always 2-3 guys who will always be there for you whenever the association needs something...
2) ...but that's all, and...
3) ...some of the worst rule violators/a-holes/good-for-nothings come from the group that get themselves into positions of authority.

I got disillusioned with things pretty quickly. Found out lots of people like to talk but when it comes to helping you with something (especially crawling around under a pinsetter in the heat of the summer to do annual lane inspections), talk is all they like to do. But they love bossing other bowlers around, that's for sure -- even while they are caking a pancake's worth of E-Z-Slide on the bottom of their shoes.

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DanH78

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Re: USBC and the Two handers
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2010, 11:12:09 PM »
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Get real buddy and get out of your house and take a good look at the joke that the USBC is.  Just because your local association might be shinny happy people holding hands, doesnt mean the USBC local association program is working.  



A) Learn the quote function.  Not that hard

B) Answer the question posed

If you think the USBC (Local, State or National level) is a joke, what are YOU doing about it?  Other than going on an anonymous BB and complaining that is.
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Re: USBC and the Two handers
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2010, 12:09:32 AM »
I just wish USBC would change the rules so that those that bowl two handed cannot sandbag by using one hand and scoring at their normal rate when they need to.  As it stands now, you can bowl two handed and average as low as you need to and then switch to one handed to cover those times when you need to score.  Or if the lanes are dryer you move to one handed bowling, when the lanes are wetter you use two.  If you are bowling two handed, then you stick two handed you cannot switch back and forth one handed, then two handed at will, no matter the dominant hand.
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Re: USBC and the Two handers
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2010, 04:58:00 AM »
USBC has said that a two-handed bowler only really uses one hand.  Seems counter intuitive to me. But who are we to challenge the USBC?

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Re: USBC and the Two handers
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2010, 06:14:42 AM »
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USBC has said that a two-handed bowler only really uses one hand.  Seems counter intuitive to me. But who are we to challenge the USBC?

Edited on 2/15/2010 5:58 AM


Which is exactly why there are any rules pertaining to thumb holes.  

EX:  What advantage does having a thumb hole and not using it give over a cranker who uses a thumb hole full time?  Revolutions are revolutions and thumb holes are thumb holes.  Does the bowler with a 21 drill bit for a thumb have an advantage over the guy who has a 29 drill bit?  I personally dont think so.  

But, as I stated before in this thread, if I see people this weekend in Reno that are on staff with USBC, I may start a conversation about "special rules" concerning two handers and see where it goes.  If I am able to get that far, I will post on here next week what I find out.
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