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Ogre Particle
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
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#  Color: Pewter/Black
# Rg = 2.58
# Differential = 0.031
# Finish = 1000 Abralon
# Coverstock = Ionic Particle (reactive particle)
# Description: This ball uses our Ionic Particle cover, which is the same great cover used on the highly successful Granite Gargoyle. Using a reactive base enhanced by soft particles, the Particle Ogre will create traction on heavier oils, without damaging the lanes or sacrificing longevety. Unlike most particle balls, this coverstock can be brought back to a factory condition very easily. This Ogre will fill the heavy oil end of our mid-price line very well. With the same great hit and carry as the entire OGRE series, the Ogre Particle was designed to blend out the wet/dry conditions and create less sensitivity to the oil line and carrydown.

 

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 09:00:34 PM »
Nice ball for Oil!
Lane Conditions: Medium-Heavy Oil
Typical Conditions: Variety of Shots
Type of Lane: All Synthetic
What part of the lane did you play? Outside First Arrow
Did the ball track out? Normal
Weight of bowling ball: 16
Surface of bowling ball: Factory/Box
What grit was the surface of the ball? 1000
Likes: What a great ball on oil!
Dislikes: None to speak of...

My Stats:
Right Handed
Speed: 16-19 mph
Rev Rate Not sure

Bowling Ball Specs:
Weight: 15.95
Top Weight: 2.93
Pin: 2-3
Layout of ball: Stacked Leverage
Surface of bowling ball: Box Finish



Well tonight they added an additional unit the first 20 feet in my league. This was perfect for this ball! Was only able to use it in the first game cause I burned out my track.
Also have used this ball on the Chameleon PBA pattern last week. Ball worked great on that pattern too. Can't wait to try this on an even more oiler cc Just got it drilled last week and its not too snappy for me. Ball moves well. No super high scores with this ball for me yet because I'm still testing the limits of this ball.


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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2008, 01:27:25 PM »
Hi! Great ball! Love the roll and ball motion! I like this ball best when playing deeper lines like a fade back shot. I have used on a league shot and was pleasantly surprised how much and how hard the hooking power was even for this piece being particle. It may be the most hooking particle ball I have ever owned. It will not roll out off the dry area of the lane. Also wanted to mention as others have posted it does get a beard after some oil soaks into the surface. Would recommend to anyone needing a medium/heavy oil ball!

Ball weight: 15.2#
Pin: 2-3"
Top weight: 3oz

Drilling: Pin even and just right of the ring finger. Mass bias right of thumb in strong postion. Small 5/8" weight hole.



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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2008, 08:41:43 AM »
I needed a ball for a heavier oiled house pattern. As I get older, I am putting less hand in the ball and need the help of technology. This ball did the trick! I had it drilled for heavy forward roll and curve and am using it "out of the box" with no alteration to the surface. Starts early enough in a roll to give me a great angle to the pocket. As the pattern wears down and I have to move left, carry becomes an issue and it is very clear when I need to make a ball change. Perfect addition for my game.

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 11:14:12 AM »
My specs:
Left handed, ball speed around 16 MPH, rev rate around 300 RPM, axis rotation of around 60 degrees, and axis tilt around 30 degrees.

The last ball I drilled up was a smooth surface FMG with a “Rico” drilling.  I drilled that one to use in a particular house that has a strong “wet / dry” border and lends itself to overreactions.  I’ve been pretty happy with it because it is so predictable and blends the oil / dry out.  The only thing was that if I pulled it slightly into the oil, I would have a good chance at looking at a corner pin.  Now many people might think that I wouldn’t have much to complain about.  An occasional corner pin on a marginal shot is to be expected, right?  The thing is, I’m a greedy SOB.  I wanted something that would carry those corner pins as well.

When I first saw the information on the Ogre Particle and saw that it had the same cover as the Granite Gargoyle (which I also have), I was intrigued but thought that it would be too aggressive for the house in question.  But as I read more reviews on it, I became more interested.  So I placed a call to the Visionary folks and, as always, they were more than helpful in answering my questions.  They told me that the combination of the lower flare Ogre core and smoother surface would allow use on more of the medium conditions, and that the ball was really intended to blend the pattern out.  I decided to give one a try.

Already having the Granite Gargoyle for the heavy stuff, I drilled this one out a little tamer.  Using the “Dual Angle” system, I went with a 60* drilling angle x 4” PAP x 30* VAL angle layout, and left it in box finish.  The “maiden voyage” was some practice games on a leftover shot from the previous day.  I honestly thought that it would check up early and die.  The first two games were playing around 22 out to 8.  It had an extremely heavy roll, a very even arc, and still hit like a truck.  I upped the speed some and tightened the line to 16 out to 8.  The next three games were 235, 247, and 300.  Wow.  I couldn’t wait for league night and a little more oil.

After my first night in league with the ball, I’m not sure that this thing is capable of a game under 240.  I was playing from 9 out to 4 with a little speed, and turned in games of 243, 249, and 289.  And it was EASY.  I felt like I had the whole lane.  Shots that hit the dry too soon just arced back without “ricocheting” off the dry, and shots tugged into the oil held the line, still picked up a heavy roll and just blasted through the pocket.  But what was really impressive to me was what happened with small differences in release.  There were some shots that I really didn’t get much on, and they still rolled up for some awesome “mixers”.  There were a few others where I really got a handful and would have bet that they were through the nose, but they just rolled up high flush and destroyed the pins.  It keeps your swing pretty loose when you know you don’t have to be perfect.

This ball definitely gives me a different reaction from anything else I’ve got.  But you do need to know what to expect.  If you’re looking for something with a violent change of direction at the break point, look somewhere else (like an Immortal Pearl if you can still find one).  If you’re looking for something that will scoot down the lane when they’re toasty, this is not the ball (try the Ogre SS).  It really reminds me of the reaction I used to get using an aggressive non-reactive urethane ball back in the early 90’s: an early, very heavy roll with a smooth, medium sized arc.  Most companies put their particle covers on their low RG / high differential balls for very heavy oil, making them highly condition specific (to the point you may never get to take it out of the bag).  This is one that you can actually use.  Great job, Visionary!

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 01:48:46 AM »
I just got this thing a couple of days ago and thought I would write a little review on it. First of all I have to agree with one of the other people that reviewed this ball previously...this ball does tend to get "fuzzy" while you throw it. Haven't had a ball do that since the old La Nina from Storm. Dont have alot of the specs on the ball....all I know is that the ball is supposedly drilled stacked. Took the ball out the first night and tried throwing it on a condition that was too dry for the ball and it wasnt pretty, used up all its energy early and wasnt a good ball for this condition. Which was fine with me cause I bought it for oilier conditions but since I had a new toy I wanted to take it out and try it. So tonight I took it to league with me in a different house with more oil. Man was I glad I had this thing with me. Been using a Kinetic Energy the last few weeks and wasnt getting much reaction so tonight they were even a hair slicker than usual. The K.E. was skidding way too long, guys on the pairs next to me were complaining about how slick the lanes were. So I take out my Ogre Particle and start playing pretty much straight up 10 and its coming up to the pocket when I couldnt get anything else to move left at all. And it hit hard once it got there. I had asked people on here what was a good heavy oil ball at a decent price and most people told me Ogre Particle....and I am glad that they did. Its exactly what they say it is. It gives me a strong arcing reaction to the pocket when I cant get anything else to move. It comes OOB at 1000 abralon.....I just wonder if I take it down to 2000 if I can still get a strong reaction in oil with maybe just a little more backend. If anyone else has one of these I would love to know if you took it to 2000 and how it reacted. But anyone looking for a heavy oil ball (without the heavy price tag.) should get one of these. I am very pleased with my first Visionary ball.

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 10:45:19 PM »
Hooks in oil, alot. Very strong, but eats the oil right off the lane. I created a very dry outside area by the 3rd frame of the 1st game. Switched balls and had a bumper on the right side. Maybe a little less surface will cure this problem, but I'll always carry this to tournaments! If there is a lot of oil where you bowl, then get one of these for yourself.
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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2009, 11:04:22 PM »
this ball is great. we drilled it up pin ubove the the bridge and the cg strait in line. This ball is very controllable through the front and has a great comeback in the back end. Though it isn't great for the mid to dry conditions it will always be great when there is some oil on the lanes.

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2010, 05:45:52 PM »
Started using this ball this week and I have to say I love the ball and reaction. I took Jason adviced and took it down to 1000 grit and the ball hooked like crazy in the oil. I shot 249, 237, and 269 today.

I have it drilled for max hook which looks like it is stacked. The ball hits hard and keeps the pins low so I had very few 10 pins. If you are looking for a ball to combat oil this is the one. Now that is the good news. The bad news is I cannot use the rest of the week because the two houses I bowl in the rest of the week are dry and dry. But that is ok because I can use the NBPP.
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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2010, 09:41:40 AM »
I joined the Visionary test staff, and have setup the following arsenal
for all ranges of conditions.  I chose the 4 balls package, exchanged the
bag for an extra ball and bought a 6th ball too.  Any one can join the test
staff, so I'm not partial to the company, but found them myself from others
suggestions on how durable and long lasting while high performing visionary
balls are.  Also all mine are aimed at playing mostly outside straighter lines
with an arc, no angular type reactions.  They can play inside quite nicely
though still, so very versitile.

Heavy Oil:              Ogre Partical    600 Grit scotchbright  4" 75x65 Drill
Medium-Heavy Oil:       Ogre Solid       OOB Surface  4 1/2" 45x42 Drill
Medium Oil(bench mark) Gladiator Solid  1000 Abralon 3 5/8" 45x55 Drill
Medium-Light Oil:       Ogre Pearl       OOB Surface  4 1/2" 60x45 Drill
Light Oil:              Gladiator LE     OOB Surface  5" 75x42 Drill
Dry/Spare ball:         Ogre Urethane    OOB Surface  5" 105x42 Drill

All balls around 3 ounces top weight, top 3 are 3" pins, bottom 3 are 4" pins.
My Speed 17 Mph
I have Low-Med Revs
My PAP is 5 5/8" and 5/8" UP

The Ogre Partical is my Heavy oil ball.

I took the surface down to 600 Grit, recommended for me by Jason Wonders
of Visionary.

This ball definitely is for heavy oil, long flooded oil patterns.  I have
not had tons of times this ball was necessary, but the few times I have
had it works great.  I never really play too deep inside consistantly,
but I can play more tweener type lines with this ball when the pattern is
longer and not having safe shots on the outside.  I wish I had lots of
flooded conditions to test this on frequently, know it would be great,
although it works quite well even on just normal fresh oil conditions
even when not a super heavy flood.  It has a lot of brute force and can
just slam the pocket, and strikes well even if the pocket is missed a
good percentage of the time.  I think in heavier oil it would really have
a wonderful look since if all the energy was stored till the backend then
this ball would be crazy.  Even with what I've bowled with it where some
of the energy always burns up in the frontend from lack of a flood, it
still has tons of energy to transfer to the pins.  I did have a good
use of it in league the other night, when they put out a longer sport
shot cause the mechanic was mad that some people complained about not
enough oil.  The Ogre Particle worked great on that, since all the plastic
balls being used were just causing terrible carry down.  This ball just
acted like it didn't notice and worked wonderful for me.

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2011, 02:11:52 PM »
LANE CONDITION






Length:39-42

 

Volume:medium-heavy


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):


 



COMMENTS





Likes: Great control ball on mediu to medium-heavy , good continuation from the breakpoint to pins and through them , i get it lightly used but liked it from the first shot ,its my most trusted ball

Dislikes: on  heavy oil not for 1st game its better after an area is developed

 


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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2014, 07:10:04 PM »
LANE CONDITION

Length:41'

Volume:24 units

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): modified stone street


COMMENTS
I just love the roll with the Ogre line. It you want a very strong rolling ball, this is it. The ball doesn't flip, but reads the mids real we'll and has a strong arc move with continuation. I used a 45deg x 3-3/4" x 35deg with a P3 weight hole. This ball is fun to roll and the carry is great as well. you need to have a least medium oil or keep it in the bag. I was able to move deep 30 with my feet, crossing 3rd arrow out to the range finder, pro anvil lanes, and was still able to kick the 10 pin out. I moved 7 boards right and was able to use my blue/green
Centaur with a similar layout.

Likes:everything

Dislikes:can't use it all the time, cause it does need oil


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