Author Topic: Adjusting Coverstocks (Read 1151 times)

scotts33 · « **on:** August 31, 2008, 05:13:25 AM »

After a few threads of this and I am NOT speaking of tweaking covers to make the ball reaction a bit different from original OOB surface. ie. Taking a Visionary pearl cover from OOB 1500 polished to scuffing slightly withh a abralon pad.>

I think with just the Ogre Particle and Ogre Pearl you could cover a gamut of lane conditions <heavy to lighter medium> slightly tweaking covers but not a large change. Add an SS or Blue/Green you'd have drier conditions pretty well covered.

Why are you purchasing the wrong ball for the condition and then have to change the cover that drastically to be able to use it? Is it that you can't afford a couple of balls or

? Just wondering.

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SVstar34 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2008, 01:20:20 PM »

You could easily use those and cover pretty much every condition
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Spike2112 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2008, 01:32:45 PM »

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Why are you purchasing the wrong ball for the condition and then have to change the cover that drastically to be able to use it? Is it that you can't afford a couple of balls or ? Just wondering.

I agree. I have a 4-ball Visionary arsenal right now (all 4 Gargoyles) and I've tweeked a couple of them for our local house. I have more success with my Violet at 1000 abralon than the 1500 polished box condition. My Granite is at factory 320 grit and handles the heaviest conditions. Even my Greenie works better for me slightly scuffed than polished. Slate Blue is polished but is mainly just a 10 pin ball as I rarely see a dry enough shot to use it exclusively. Have an Ogre Pearl getting plugged/drilled at the moment and not exactly sure what to do with it's cover. Was told to try it in it's current finish (1500 polish) and see how it reacts. Will do so, then alter if I don't like it. I have heard the Ogre Pearl is stronger than both my Greenie AND the Violet Gargoyles. Anyone have all three that agrees with this? Looking forward to leagues starting up this week as I've been throwing my new arsenal well.

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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2008, 01:37:57 PM »

I agree, Scott. One of my pet peaves is buying a ball and trying to make it do something different than what it is designed to do. That is why it is up to the pro shop operator to educate the bowler that if they are looking for a desired reaction to a specific condition, that certain balls will not work and suggest balls that will work on those conditions. However, you may have hit the nail on the head in that they don't have the cash to afford several balls. So they grab one or two and then adjust the surface as needed. EX: I really wanted an SS. However, when I drilled it, the ball was stronger than I thought it would be. So, I took it to 4000 abralon with no polish and now I get the length and controlled reaction is was looking for. Still a strong reaction. But, just a little more controlled.
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2008, 02:39:10 PM »

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I agree. I have a 4-ball Visionary arsenal right now (all 4 Gargoyles) and I've tweeked a couple of them for our local house. I have more success with my Violet at 1000 abralon than the 1500 polished box condition. My Granite is at factory 320 grit and handles the heaviest conditions. Even my Greenie works better for me slightly scuffed than polished. Slate Blue is polished but is mainly just a 10 pin ball as I rarely see a dry enough shot to use it exclusively. Have an Ogre Pearl getting plugged/drilled at the moment and not exactly sure what to do with it's cover. Was told to try it in it's current finish (1500 polish) and see how it reacts. Will do so, then alter if I don't like it. I have heard the Ogre Pearl is stronger than both my Greenie AND the Violet Gargoyles. Anyone have all three that agrees with this? Looking forward to leagues starting up this week as I've been throwing my new arsenal well.

Spike

Regarding the sentence that I highlighted:
Most people on ballreviews seem to call ball A stronger than ball B, when A has more backend than B.
Based on that proviso, Both the Green Meanie and the Violet are stronger than the Blurple (Ogre Pearl) in my experience.

However, my personal definition is "stronger" is that ball A handles more oil than ball B. In that regard, the Blurple is definitely stronger than the Green Meanie and the Violet. That was my downfall when I drilled and first tried using the Blurple: it was a much "grabbier" coverstock than I had guessed.

I don't think anyone has tried it yet and it goes against the trend that this thread (and my own belief) supports, but I wonder how strong this ball would be when sanded to 1000 grit US or 2000 grit Abralon?? I know Scott LUVS his at 4000 grit Abralon.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2008, 02:52:38 PM »

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it was a much "grabbier" coverstock than I had guessed.

Jeff,

I don't know that it's grabbier just a bit stronger and definitely rollier <if that's a word.> I think folks get fooled by the OP's rolly reaction cuz it's a pearl and expect more length before it takes off towards the pocket.

I also believe using some abralon on a pearl to change reaction is not what I am talking about in this thread. It's more the drastic changes.

BTW Steve in my estimation the strength of cover would be Ogre Pearl first, Violet second and Greenie third. That's just strength not length skid/flip. Of course, you'd have to factor in your high rev technique. The rest of us are mere mortals.

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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2008, 03:08:33 PM »

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it was a much "grabbier" coverstock than I had guessed.

Jeff,

I don't know that it's grabbier just a bit stronger and definitely rollier <if that's a word.> I think folks get fooled by the OP's rolly reaction cuz it's a pearl and expect more length before it takes off towards the pocket.

I'm pretty sure it rolls earlier because it's grabbing the lane earlier, because it's a higher friction coverstock.

I definitely expected more length AND to be able to play further outside. That was, as I said, my downfall. Now, I'm starting deeper with it and using it on more oil. It handles as much oil as my Bronze Centaur it just doesn't hook as much.

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I also believe using some abralon on a pearl to change reaction is not what I am talking about in this thread. It's more the drastic changes.

Yep. That's what I said above.

I've and read of people taking balls whose stock surface is 4000 grit Abralon PLUS polish and take them down to 1000 grit Abralon and use a skid/flip pearl as an oiler.

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BTW Steve in my estimation the strength of cover would be Ogre Pearl first, Violet second and Greenie third. That's just strength not length skid/flip. Of course, you'd have to factor in your high rev technique. The rest of us are mere mortals.
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I agree about the strength rating. I think I might have phrased it differently in my reply to Spike.

I can't relate to Steve's 450/500 Rev rate.

Wish I could. It's like he's playing an entirely different game/sport.
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Spike2112 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2008, 03:20:15 PM »

I also define "stronger" as how much oil a ball will handle. My Mean Greenie will cover more boards than ANY ball in my arsenal on the right conditions, but it's well behind the Violet and Granite as far as "strength" goes. I ask about the Ogre Pearl only because last year I had an Ogre Solid @ 600 grit and the ball covered as many boards as my Slate Blue does. Couldn't swing it not matter what, only success I ever had with it was playing it up 5. I traded for it used, so maybe it was dead when I got it, but rather than put any more money into it to re-drill I just got rid of it. Ogre Pearl will be drilled a bit stronger and cover left in OOB 1500 polished . Really hoping it is a step "above" the Violet as our house tends to put out alot of oil and would like something between the Granite and Violet. Thanks for the replies.

Spike

lenstanles703 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2008, 09:47:09 AM »

I slightly tweaked my Ogre Particle from 1000 ab to polished with Bean's Secret Sauce and a few seconds in the spinner. Yes I can afford other balls. Going to start the season with Ogre Solid at 1000, Particle polished from OOb, Ogre pearl sanded to 1000 ab and polished, SS sanded to 4000ab and polished. Want to see if Particle will handle carrydown in third game with a lot of older bowlers who roll strait up with plastic and RUBBER balls. Secret Sauce very easy to use on spinner.
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