Author Topic: Charcoal VS. Purple Ice Ex? (Read 5903 times)

A_P_K · « **on:** August 06, 2003, 11:23:22 PM »

I will be acquiring the Charcoal Ex very shortly and was definitely interested in picking up the Purple Ice.

One post caught my eye where the Charcoal was mentioned as a control ball. If this COULD seem to be the case, what are the major differences between these two balls other than the particles in the Purple Ice? I'm pretty sure both balls are 600 wet sand grit though.

Jeffrevs.....this came from part of your control ball post.......I'd figure I'd ask to get a few drilling options for the Char Ex......since it has such a heavy midlane like the Crimson.

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TheDude · « **Reply #31 on:** August 08, 2003, 01:33:29 PM »

WHOA! Not often you see this many posts for a visionary topic, lol. OK well the one question i saw frequently in the topic was about Mass Bias. Yes every visionary ball has mass bias. And i do use them for fine tuning my reactions. Also if your a follower of Del Warren and Mo Pinel, and there ideas of Mass Bias, I met Mo a few months back and he stated to me, that" Visionary does actually have some very strong cores" so no one can say otherwise really, if the expert Mo says so. He said this to me, face to face, on the lanes without anyone else around and didn't seem to want to share that fact with anyone else.

For the Charcoal Exe, it can be polished but it will need a label drilling or something that isn't drilled for early roll. an early roll layout and polish makes the ball sometimes a little bit unpredictable.
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TheDude · « **Reply #32 on:** August 08, 2003, 01:36:04 PM »

Ok i went back and saw and didn't realize i hadn't even answered the original question. Ok, the Charcoal, is a heavy oil ball, i would compare it to a Vortex 2 original. the purple ice has the same core, and similar rolling characteristics. but the special cover is unique in that it wants to roll sooner, and more evenly. when saying control your not saying lack of hook, just lack of jumpiness.
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A_P_K · « **Reply #33 on:** August 08, 2003, 01:57:21 PM »

I originally thought Eric was speaking about Lane 1's web site also. Well, if that's a similar ball path then polish might not do much either. I heard the Charcoal polished gives it a pretty violent backend reaction.

When I did polish the Super Carbide it was a bit more usable on house type shots too, but it had more of a ridiculous backend for a heavy load particle.

I don't think I'd polish the Charcoal though, the Executioner's wouldn't be so without the heavier midlane roll. For the house shot, I have the Crimson, and even the Blue Gryphon when I get it.

.......But.....the thing I love the most is that all this ball is......RESIN....yay for resin!!!!!!!

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livespive · « **Reply #34 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:05:47 PM »

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IT has alot of midlane to it is the big thing. I can't compare it myself to the supercarbide, as I have not seen one (SC) thrown. Looking at the little diagram that they show on the web, I would say the travel path is about the same. That is about the path that my ball takes.
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Eric, you mean on Lane1's site?
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JEFF
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Yeah, on Lane 1's site.

PK

This is from the visionary site:
The angled neck is located on a line from the Pin through the CG at a distance 11-1/4" from the pin past the CG.

That is where the MB will be located on the excecutioners.
As far as the lane one site, I was speaking mainly about the shape, and not the number of boards.

Hey Dude I was waiting for you to show up

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A_P_K · « **Reply #35 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:13:49 PM »

Eric, dang....I finally got it now.....it was so easy to see that I made it hard for myself to understand how they place the MB. Yeah they do use a different measurement to locate the neck......now I know...........it was hard to read through at first.

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livespive · « **Reply #36 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:16:54 PM »

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Ok i went back and saw and didn't realize i hadn't even answered the original question. Ok, the Charcoal, is a heavy oil ball, i would compare it to a Vortex 2 original. the purple ice has the same core, and similar rolling characteristics. but the special cover is unique in that it wants to roll sooner, and more evenly. when saying control your not saying lack of hook, just lack of jumpiness.
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Visionary bowler, I see the future!
Tim Thompson, Visionary Bowling Products Proshop staff For Canada.

Lack of jumpiness would be it.
I polised mine because I didn't want it rolling as early as it was. I have not seen any jumping on the backend as of yet. I still have to try it on the house shot though.
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Edited on 8/8/2003 2:30 PM

livespive · « **Reply #37 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:44:01 PM »

I seen this posted up a while ago:

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=19454&ForumID=15&CategoryID=2

Intresting
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #38 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:45:05 PM »

Guys,....what IS the house shot Visionary ??
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JEFF
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livespive · « **Reply #39 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:51:44 PM »

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Guys,....what IS the house shot Visionary ??
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JEFF
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I am talking about the easy shot that gets put out by league, unless you are lucky enough to get a sports shot.
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A_P_K · « **Reply #40 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:53:56 PM »

Well, I can cover just about any house shot......toast to oil with the Crimson. I have yet to come across a condition that I couldn't adjust to to shoot my average.

If the oil is too heavy or there's any carrydown, I move to the right and shoot straight up the 10 board. Usually outside the oil line the ball will cut through the carrydown no matter what. I am currently averaging 225 on a pattern that has a longer medium oil with slimy backends that get slimier over time. This average though is only based on the Crimson which I've thrown 12 games so far. (I didn't have it before)

If the lanes are breaking down then I move left and keep going until I can't go any further. Even on the driest shot I've ever seen in open bowling, I can still ROLL the ball over the center arrow and it will flare to the pocket. Playing this deep does not effect the carry or hitting power what so ever.

I can also turn it up when it's dry and swing the hell out of the Crimson. The widest I've ever played with it was lining left foot 0n 35 throwing out to 15 rolling out to 5 and it has the guts to get in the pocket.

So.....whoever out there that had this piece and couldn't really get it to turn didnt' have it drilled right.

So, I'd say that is your house type Ex.

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #41 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:56:27 PM »

What I'm saying is......what is a good league condition VBP ball?
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JEFF
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livespive · « **Reply #42 on:** August 08, 2003, 03:06:01 PM »

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What I'm saying is......what is a good league condition VBP ball?
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JEFF
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oops, must be friday

I use the DC Tour Drilled stacked Pin about 4" out above and right of the ring finger. I pull it out second, and third game. I have liked the DC core to bad they are getting rid of them. I would probably say crimson ex the gryphon is pretty good from what I hear.
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member

A_P_K · « **Reply #43 on:** August 08, 2003, 03:09:47 PM »

Hey........you wouldn't classify the Crimson as a good leauge ball!!??....

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livespive · « **Reply #44 on:** August 08, 2003, 03:20:16 PM »

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Hey........you wouldn't classify the Crimson as a good leauge ball!!??....
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Exectuioners do it for them!

I thought I did. It's friday though, I might have left it off

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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member

A_P_K · « **Reply #45 on:** August 08, 2003, 03:22:37 PM »

I was a little slow in my post when I responded to Jeff. I saw you mention yours, and yes it is Friday and I'm suffering from the same stuff you guys are...........but my day is over in 20 minutes.

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