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Immortal Solid question...
« on: November 30, 2008, 02:08:02 PM »
Has anyone had any success with this ball on synthetics? No matter what i set the coverstock to this ball just wants to slide all the way down the lane.

Its very confusing on why it does that....
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 10:42:23 PM »
hey what's up.. Same here.. this ball will not hook up.
I think I talked to you a while back about it since you are visionary guy.
I tried every cover / polish combo and it didn't work.. thought is was burning up.. or thought it was me..
Finally gave up on it and had my driller throw it. He has alot of hand and he couldn't get the ball to move either... this was on wood though.. so I don't know what the deal is..
The ball worked great piping it straight down 10 ..

when every I tried other lines I could only swing the ball maybe 3 boards or it wouldn't recover..

what is your layout.. mine is 5 inch pin to pap with a 70 deg mb.. I'm thinking the mb angle is too much..but I don't know.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 11:13:23 PM »
I have two.

The first one is drilled Rico and has a very even arcing movement although it is not covering a lot of boards.  It does carry very well for me, so it is one of the balls I usually end up using.  Surface is at 800 scotchbrite.  

The second one I bought used and just had the thumb slugged and redrilled with my pitches.  I have not used it as much as my Rico version, but it does have more length and more backend than the Rico.  



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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 11:19:02 PM »
I just don't see this ball covering the massive amount of boards that I have seen in some of the youtube videos..

I agree that the ball's carry is amazing.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2008, 11:28:23 PM »
On wood mine was outstanding but on synthetics the ball would just
go straight as an arrow. Here is a shot of it on wood lanes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mReoyWRu3c

Here is the layout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3jUHRGfVvQ&feature=related

Looks nothing like this on synthetics.

Edited on 12/1/2008 1:02 AM
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2008, 11:48:51 PM »
yeah.. that is a pretty sick shot..
what is your layout..

so what do you think it is.. too much traction on synthetics and burning up or not enough and just no grab to hook??
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 12:04:35 AM »
I saw the video of the layout.. where is the mass bias..?
hard to make out on the video..
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 12:04:37 AM »
Add layout to my last post. I don't know why this ball doesn't
want to hook up. I had it at white,grey,green and maroon pad
with and without polish.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 12:07:32 AM »
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On wood mine was outstanding but on synthetics the ball would just
go straight as an arrow. Here is a shot of it on wood lanes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mReoyWRu3c

Here is the layout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3jUHRGfVvQ&feature=related

Looks nothing like this on synthetics.

Edited on 12/1/2008 1:02 AM

what does it do on synthetics.. hook 5 boards regardless of where you throw it..
that is what mine does.. max recovery .. 5 boards.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 12:13:01 AM »
If I throw that same line on synthetics I would hit the six pin in the face.
I would be lucky if the ball moved 5 boards.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 05:31:46 AM »
I have not thrown one, so take this for whatever worth you see in it:

I know the core in this ball and the flare potential is just HUGE. Most people with average rev rate cannot drill it with less than 5" pin to PAP UNLESS they have a fairly high ball speed or very high tilt or 90 degrees of rotation. The rough stock surface (I realize you have tried many surfaces) plus the incredible flare rate means this ball starts flaring before it leaves you hand. 10" is not unusual!!!

PLUS it has a strong mass bias. You have to be VERY careful with the MB placement. Placing it too close to your axis will make the ball try to go into a roll even earlier!!! I hope you did follow the drillign instructions and didn't just place the CG where you normally put it on other balls.

This could have something to do with this problem.

Before dumping this ball, you might try redrilling it with a longer and high pin position.

To be honest, I bought the "plain" AMB Centaur and its core is milder than the Immortal's core, but it still flares 6-8".

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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2008, 09:03:11 AM »
mine is a 5 inch pin to pap..(but I normally drill 5 1/2 pin to pap)
pin above ring finger with the mass bias right next to the thumb.. (70 degree drill angle)
I was thinking that mine is to much of an angle with the super strong mass bias..
I under stand the high diff and super flaring.. so if it was flaring too much and overflaring or rolling out the ball would be rolling end over end too early and have no hook left..
this isn't the case.. the ball still has the side rotation and lots of it.. it just never hooks up.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2008, 10:40:46 AM »
Greetings,

I have a couple of these drilled up....I'll take a look at your video when I get home tonight (youtube is blocked at work).

I've not had this problem with either, here are the specs:

Imm Solid #1 - 5 1/8 Pin to PAP, da = 25, vala = 45
2000 with Storm #2 Polish
I use this on 40+ patterns which has allowed me to swing the gutter a little and bring it back when most people can't.


Imm Solid #2 - 5 Pin to PAP, da = 65, vala = 40
1000 Abralon with light Ebonite Factory Polish
I haven't used this yet, but the longer angle allows me to get a little deeper on oilier conditions where I can play left of bowlers who are forced to play the track or right, allowing me to not have to move and free up hook to the right that they burn up by playing the track.

Once I see your vids, I'm pretty sure I can give you some suggestions, at least that is the plan.

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    Re: Immortal Solid question...
    « Reply #13 on: December 01, 2008, 07:49:18 PM »
    quote:
    Greetings,

    I have a couple of these drilled up....I'll take a look at your video when I get home tonight (youtube is blocked at work).

    I've not had this problem with either, here are the specs:

    Imm Solid #1 - 5 1/8 Pin to PAP, da = 25, vala = 45
    2000 with Storm #2 Polish
    I use this on 40+ patterns which has allowed me to swing the gutter a little and bring it back when most people can't.


    Imm Solid #2 - 5 Pin to PAP, da = 65, vala = 40
    1000 Abralon with light Ebonite Factory Polish
    I haven't used this yet, but the longer angle allows me to get a little deeper on oilier conditions where I can play left of bowlers who are forced to play the track or right, allowing me to not have to move and free up hook to the right that they burn up by playing the track.

    Once I see your vids, I'm pretty sure I can give you some suggestions, at least that is the plan.

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    • Stephen,

    Do you happen to have pics of the two immortals?? I'm going to try moving more inside with the ball and see how that works. Maybe its just burning out for me and I need to get more into the oil with it and thats what my problem is.

    Thanks
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    Re: Immortal Solid question...
    « Reply #14 on: December 01, 2008, 07:55:33 PM »
    quote:
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    Do you happen to have pics of the two immortals?? I'm going to try moving more inside with the ball and see how that works. Maybe its just burning out for me and I need to get more into the oil with it and thats what my problem is.

    Thanks
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    how is yours drilled Matt?
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