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scotts33

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Mixed Breed Pearl
« on: January 02, 2012, 02:03:59 AM »
MBP is posted on the Visionary Website  Nice color.  Looking forward to hearing more.

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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2012, 09:13:56 PM »

 I stand corrected. I thought that I would have to drill it over the label, but that is not the case. I'm still learning.

I like the way that you drilled it. Pin above the fingers with the PSA 2" left of he thumb. The thumb hole will pull it right some. By putting the P-3 hole in it, that should pull the PSA to the right of the thumb. 



Monster Stitch wrote on 1/20/2012 2:57 PM:
ch_flash: I've been e-mailing with Jason this morning and still going. Having the "V" two inches will put the PSA 4-3/4 right of thumb and then 2.5 right of thumb after drilling. The tricky part i realized after what Jason mentioned is that since the pin, cg and mb are all inline, this would put the CG in the middle of my span and force the pin more right then i wanted to. I want the pin above my fingers instead of right of my fingers. I am trying to ask Jason for an alternative layout to get it where i wanted. How did you guys decide on the P3 weight hole. Did you draw a line from your PAP to the PSA? My proshop does not have a determinator machine.




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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2012, 12:53:38 AM »
I just drilled out my Mixed Breed Pearl this past friday after  talking to ch_flash and  Jason Wonders. The final verdict

was to treat this Z spin ball with the same concept as the Hammer No Mercy. Since i could not place the "V" 2 inches left

of thumb because the CG would be on the negative side and the pin would end up right of ring and towards my PAP, Jason

suggested an alternative layout that would give me the reaction i was looking for that i normally layout on my Y Spin asymmetrical balls. I placed the pin over my ring finger (5 inches from PAP) with the "V" four inches right of thumb which placed the PSA 2-3/4 left of my thumb. The static weights before drilling was 1-5/8 side and 0 finger/thumb. After drilling the fingers and thumb the statics were 1-5/8 side and 1/2 finger. Next, I drilled the fingers 1/2 inch deeper on each finger that cut the finger weight down to an 1/8. Then i drilled a weight hole 2-1/2 right of thumb and 1 inch up.  I used a 7/8 drill bit and drilled it down 2-3/4 inches deep. This cut the side weight down from 1-5/8 side to 7/8 side and the finger weight went up to 5/8.

 

I tried this ball at our nisei tournament on saturday at one of our centers which has 20+ year old HPL lanes with a lane pattern that was oiled about 40ft with a good concentration from 7 to 7 and friction outside of it. You couldn't use really dull stuff because the volume wasn't there but the length was. Anything that was polished either pearl or solid worked pretty good. It was all about execution and carry. I tried the Mixed Breed Pearl on one of our doubles squad and it rolled well. The ball is clean through the front and has a nice continuous arc on the backend. This ball keeps the pins low and scatters everything. Transition was a little tricky with this ball since the cover is really shinny out of box. Changing the cover i beleive will be beneficial. Having the weight hole low takes this ball from a mild weak pearl to a strong pearl. You can see the change in roll when this ball picks up in the midlane and keeps charging there after. I tried this ball again during the second team squad. The lanes were broken down with the lanes fried up 3rd arrow and out and oil 15 to 15 with blended backends. This usually points towards going with a fall back shot. Since this was a four man team, we all played same part of the lane and kept chasing the oil in as time went on. The Mixed Breed Pearl worked like magic. The ball pushed through the front, reved up in the mids and was continuous on the backend. I can see why this ball is really made for medium to dry lanes now. A lot of people were asking me what ball i was throwing. People gave me that puzzled look when i mentioned the name "Visionary". They asked if it was a new company and i said "no". They liked the color of the ball but also the way the ball rolled on a fresher condition and broken down pattern. All in all, this ball was very impressive. I would like to thank Jason and ch_flash for taking the time to discuss this ball in detail. I really appreciate it. I am going to test this ball out some more and then i think i am going to try out the Mixed Breed Solid.

 




 
 
Edited by Monster Stitch on 1/23/2012 at 2:10 AM

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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2012, 06:35:51 PM »
Anybody got any more on this ball? Videos, ect?


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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2012, 01:23:38 AM »

 I don't, but Willie Wells used it to be the high qualifier at the Mini-Eliminator. He also shot 300 with it. He finished third for a cool $10,000.



JamminJD wrote on 2/12/2012 7:35 PM:Anybody got any more on this ball? Videos, ect?



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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2012, 06:37:09 AM »
Nice shooting buy Willie! I was just wondering I got a MBreed Pearl and Spartan,Crossover coming.
Might try to shoot some vids of them.



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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2012, 09:38:31 AM »
They are z-spin balls. drill them accordingly. Most likely, the mass bias/psa/high rg, will be 6-3/4" at 90* from the V mark and the pin. If you have access to a DeTerminator, spin them up to find the PSA's. If not, you are gonna need Jason's advice.
The pearl that is pictured, is a strong drilling. I would drill it like that one.
My Crossover has the pin above the ring finger and the cg kicked right 35 degrees. I rolls well with a smooth arc to the pocket, but still gets that good Visionary carry. Keep the Crossover clean, because they tend to soak up oil.
The Spartan is one that really needs the determinator. Or drill it like the MB Pearl.
Roll them BEFORE adding any wt. holes. You may want one ball stronger, and another weaker. 
Hope this helps.
Scotts33 spins all his up and knows where the psa's are located. 


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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2012, 12:16:55 PM »
Here are a few pics of my Pearl.

 

I spun them on a determinator to find the Z axis, and when i put the prosect on the ball they were exactly at the ends of the prosect just as Jason said they would be.

 

left axis


 

right axis


 

Drilled ball

 


 

I put the left Z axis in my thumb which is a very strong drilling.  Jason was worried that it might flare way to early and hit like a marshmellow.  Fortunatly the combination of speed, and heavy oil it worked like a dream.  This layout is 5 boards stronger than my solid on my Thurs shot.  Will see tonight how it handles the really soupy stuff.

 

solid


 

The lines on the ball are

left line is where it spun too before the weight hole, the right is where it spun to after the weight hole.  The driller with the determinator was too busy to drill the pearl but did spin it for me.  This week we will be drilling my brothers and will have more pics of how mine spun after drilling.

 

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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2012, 12:38:02 PM »
Matt C and ch_flash show that is of prime importance to get these z-spin balls spun to find the PSA and get these balls laid out to your stats./PAP so you can get correct ball motion on the desired lane condition.  Guessing ain't going to get it done IMO.

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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2012, 02:02:12 PM »
If you can spin it thats the best, tho when i dropped the prosect on it it was spot on.  will do the same later on my brothers ball and will have more pics.

 

But in a nutshell the closer you Bring that Z axis to your thumb the stronger its going to be but WATCH YOUR STATICS!!  the farther I swung it the larger Val angle I had to use to keep the statics in line.  The pearl now has a small weight hole 1" down the val to get the side weight correct.


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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2012, 03:19:59 PM »
Thanks for the input guys, I knew about the balls before talking to Jason.
He said this will most likely be the last z spin balls they produce, hope he 
doesn't mind me saying. Anyway, I don't have a pro shop near me that has 
DeTerminator, so I will have to lay this out carefully. Use all the info I
have gotten from everyone!



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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2012, 08:45:50 PM »
Took the pearl to the heavy tonight...

 

What a beast.  Actually had to put it away the 3rd game, and the Solid still wasnt enough ball.  Had to move to the VR Solid. 

 

Putting the Z axis in the thumb is not for the feint of heart, very very strong ball to say the least.  If you are not bowling on ALOT of oil I would back it down some.  I have been looking all year for a strong ball in the heavy and now I have it.

 

Vids coming soon.  Will be putting one up for drilling and then 1 for me and my brother using them

 

Here is the Vid for the Solid we put together.

 


 


 
Edited by Matt C on 2/13/2012 at 9:46 PM
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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2012, 10:18:18 AM »
Nice Matt! Keep em coming!


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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2012, 08:13:09 PM »
The pearl is fast becoming my favorite ball..

 

300 225 (i hate u 7-10 split in the 10th!!)  I have always wanted to write a review and say shot 300 700 oob... ok so it was in the 5th game out of the box but ill take it.


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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2012, 08:27:09 PM »

 Congrats Matt! Awesome!   I'm jealous. I will get a M.B.Pearl before Nationals.

 

I've throw a 300 out of the box with The Nuke by Track. Got it the first night of a summer league and had to throw it as hard as I could to keep it on the right side of the headpin.

 

I did throw a 298 the second week that I had the Crossover and two weeks later a 300/814.

 

 



Matt C wrote on 2/16/2012 9:13 PM:
The pearl is fast becoming my favorite ball..


 


300 225 (i hate u 7-10 split in the 10th!!)  I have always wanted to write a review and say shot 300 700 oob... ok so it was in the 5th game out of the box but ill take it.




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Re: Mixed Breed Pearl
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2012, 08:35:16 PM »
Nice Shooting Matt! I got the Solid coming now instead of the Spartan.
Can't wait to lay these out!