Author Topic: Ogre Particle (Read 3053 times)

scotts33 · « **on:** April 08, 2009, 03:28:13 PM »

For those that bowl on a China wall and have access to an Ogre Particle and can puck it. You are missing the boat if you don't have an Ogre Particle.

I have been sliding 20 and rolling 10 or so a can't miss with this piece. Good gawd. I did change my roll to a puck shot down and in....I can not miss. On a Great China Wall I have enough roll and hit....amazing.

Pin next to ring CG stacked below X hole on gradient line P2. I have not rolled below 670 with this ball since using it as my main ball. Know that I am NOT hitting it just rolling it off my hand bent off to the side cut down to 250 I am guessing.
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2009, 12:00:06 AM »

I wish I saw what a GWOC shot is like. Don't see it I believe in these parts.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2009, 12:23:04 AM »

Heavy oil 10 to 10mand very light oil outside.

I need to change my whole outlook and ability to play the lanes when facing this lane condition.

Most heavy handed guys move inside and rev it up inside and on a wet/dry block if you hit the dry early you are thru the nose......faces up too early. BUT, if you move your feet right out to the dry and puck it up 10 and outside as long as there is some head oil you can get it thru heads and it faces up in the pocket. If you can't do it with an Ogre particle then a B/G Centaur with some slight surface will do the same.

I believe you have to have more than once/two releases/speeds to do this but yes it's easily able to be done.

You have to be able to get your head around the changes......lane conditions and your abilities.
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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2009, 09:33:09 AM »

Scott,

"can puck it"?? Do you mean faster ball speed??

Practiced with Krumpy300 yesterday. Saw him throw his OPart. He had it at 2000 Abralon. He had about 3 boards to hit, they all had arrows on them. (Couldn't resist the joke. If he ever missed by that much, the sun wouldn't rise that day.) He had plenty of area and it was throwing messengers around as if he were throwing 25 mph. I was thinking of trying another Ogre Solid, now I have to re-think that idea. He had told me he loved it but you have to see him throw it to understand his understatement.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2009, 12:12:23 PM »

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"can puck it"?? Do you mean faster ball speed??

Jeff,

Bypuck itI mean slightly faster ball speed with less revs/less hand. From my normal under the ball release with around 325 rpm....I use a broken hand off the side release figuring this cuts my revs down to around 250-275.

After trying my Ogre Particle at 1000ab with slight amount of Legends polish....I saw what Ken did and decided to try it at 2000ab. I like the read better in the mids and back and not too much surface so I can't get it thru the heads. I also keep my Gladiator Solid at OOB 2000ab. I can play further out with the Ogre Particle with feet right by 2 boards.

From what I see at Natl's...I'd believe an Ogre Particle would be perfect for the fresh playing a tighter line using the surface to control the backend.
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Krumpy300 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2009, 12:14:38 PM »

I totally agree Scott and thank you Charlest for the kind words. For me, it makes the game more simple. Pick a spot just inside the bank area while squaring up a bit and just get the ball on line. If you leak it right, it's going to hold the pocket. If you miss left, it has the tires to make it back. If you line up correctly, you can achieve four boards of area easily and you can stay in that area when other guys are moving in. That is another great characteristic of this ball. You can stay in a comfort zone longer with it because it doesn't jump off the dry and when it does start to bump a bit, you don't have to move much after the fact.

I generally try to stand 20ish and play anywhere between 13-9 with mine. I do get my hand in the ball a bit, but I don't have a lot of tilt. I can see someone who comes around the ball more getting it to corner a bit. With the angle I like to play I rarely leave a solid ten, more eight pins left than ten pins so far.

When I have been able to use it, I am averaging 17 pins higher than my league average. I have used it at OOB, 1000 plus polish and at 2000 abralon. I am almost tempted to get another and take it to 4000 or 2000 plus polish to see if I can use it on more conditions, I really like the ball that much.

If you like the Ogre series at all, get the OPART, you won't be disappointed. Not your typical particle ball, far from it.

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Badger856 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2009, 12:25:34 PM »

Scott, didn't you have a nice 760 with the ogre particle?

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2009, 12:39:13 PM »

Scott,

Thanks for the summary.

Unlike you and Krumpy, I can't seem to get a clean release with more speed when I stay behind the ball. I can do it (almost have to) when I come around it, with more rotation.

Wonder if I'll need 4000 grit Ab, if I pick one up.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2009, 12:53:16 PM »

Yep Darin couple weeks back 765. Like Krumpy I haven't had a bad set with the Ogre Particle.

I am watching these low rev fluffers kill THS walls around our area and say to self "self if you can't beat 'em join 'em"! So, I have been using Ogre Particle fluffing it up the track. I'd hate to think what I could average if I started to do this from the beginning of a league season.

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Krumpy300 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2009, 02:28:36 PM »

Charlest,

I think you would enjoy the O-PART very much. Please get one and take it to 4000 so I can check out the reaction you get

Seriously you have a release that you can get it to corner a bit while it still won't jump off the dry.

You never know until you try it

charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2009, 03:02:57 PM »

Okay, I surrender.

So, alll I'll need anywhere is the O-Part, the <middle ball> and the BG Centaur. Hmmmm ....
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gsback · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:58:26 AM »

Funny....reading this is some of what I've said in the past.

I've always said that with the O Particle, I can take most of my hand out of the ball and play shots with some speed to allow the ball get through the heads but still maintain some strength on the backends. Now, I don't have Scott-Revs....LOL.....but I can probably maintain a higher speed without issues or overthrowing since I really have to slow my ball down.

O Particle is a great ball!! More usable than what many think because, to me, it really doesn't react like a particle.
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charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:37:45 AM »

gsback,

Oddly, on some of the videos of the OPart, it seems like with the stock surface, it goes slightly longer and has more backend than the Ogre Solid. That seemed pretty strange to my eyes, but a positive thing for the OPart.

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gsback · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2009, 10:25:04 AM »

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Oddly, on some of the videos of the OPart, it seems like with the stock surface, it goes slightly longer and has more backend than the Ogre Solid. That seemed pretty strange to my eyes, but a positive thing for the OPart.

Agreed!! And something I stated in some of the past threads, specific to watching Britton's vids.

I've never thrown the solid, so I can't speak to the reaction, but the O Particle is a very solid ball. I think most people see Particle and they think one thing....but just like you said, this ball is more like a Reactive on steroids!!
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scotts33 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2009, 10:54:40 AM »

My Ogre Particle is stronger than my former Ogre Solid and seemed about the same length. Both drilled similarly. The key for using the Ogre Particle is using my weaker release letting the ball do the work. If, I try to hit it harder it won't work as well.

Here is a pic of Solid Ogre http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/?action=view¤t=SolidOgre11.jpg The Solid does not have an X hole.

My Ogre Particle is drilled with pin slightly lower next to ring and CG more stacked underneath the pin and an X hole at P2.

I didn't like the Solid reaction as much as the Particle. BTW....also loved the Granite Gargoyle same cover.
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