Author Topic: ogre ss (Read 2823 times)

balibowler · « **on:** August 31, 2007, 04:17:58 AM »

to those of you that own one. are any of you having success with yours? how did you have yours layed out. and when do you get a chance to use it(lane conditions that you use it on)? im thinking about picking up one of these to be a more med-med light ball. im just curious to see if anyone is having problems with it squirting out, or over reacting alot on the backend..?

balibowler · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2007, 12:22:53 PM »

oh also does anyone happen to have a video of them or anyone throwing the ss? and maybe a pic of the layout that you chose for yours? thanks

triggerman · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2007, 12:28:32 PM »

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=170483&ForumID=92&CategoryID=5
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balibowler · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2007, 12:32:36 PM »

ahhh, for some reason that didnt show up in my search... well, thanks for that very much!

mab · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2007, 07:46:45 AM »

My experience with the SS is limited to 15 games at this time. Mine is drilled 4X60* pin over ring. I've used it on a fresh 40' mod. THS with sqeaky clean backs. Loads of backend and power at the pins. However the cover will not be your friend when carrydown is present it will squirt through the break. I also have thrown it on a broken down shot no carrydown present heads were spotty blew through the front and mids and wreeeked havoc at the pins. On a typical house shot this ball should tear it up, it craves dry boards down lane to shine. The SS is the best skid/snap ball I've had my hand in ever. I would not drill it any weaker then mine unless you have a heavy hand and high ball speed.
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A_P_K · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2007, 12:53:34 PM »

Mine is laid out pin over and to the right of the ring with the CG under, more in the grip.

I bowl on anvilane slick synthetics, usually practice after a PBA Experience league. I haven't used it a lot but it skids forever. It is speed sensitive and I need to reduce my speed significantly for it to turn over. It makes a strong turn when it does, and hits with a lot of energy and carries well. I need to put more games on more optimal conditions before I state a final opinion, or change the cover/layout.
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balibowler · « **Reply #6 on:** September 03, 2007, 01:22:17 PM »

thanks for the posts guys! im really getting a better idea of what this ball can do now... and im thinking more and more that this ball will end up in my bag along with an ogre solid. the only shots i bowl on for league will be fresh, and a slight possibility of people using sponges and sucking the oil up for a set before me every once and a while. this seems to be the ticket for this ball. and im not to worried about the shortage of hand in getting it to turn over, its one of the perks of 2 handed bowling hahaha. ball speed control and power. im thinking that since i can get a really good deal on visionary threw my shop, i may just go with 3 of them and have only visionary this season to try something different. if i do this, i may get 2 ogre ss, and have one drilled pin axis, or semi pin axis, for the days that its fried or super short. do you guys think the cover is weak enough to get an effective(weak) roll with pin axis on a super high friction pattern? to tell you a little more about my game my revrate on average is 585-600. when i really dig on it its more in the 650-675 range. if i want to back out of it its as low as 475-500. comfort zone on ball speed is 17.5 but i can throw it around 19 if im firing it, and get it way down to 14.5-15 consistently aswell. so do you guys think that the cover is weak enough?

J_Mac · « **Reply #7 on:** September 03, 2007, 01:45:20 PM »

650-675rpm? I'd be surprised if you even hit 500 rpm...
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2007, 01:46:13 PM »

I have mine drilled a 4 1/2 stacked with a weight hole 4 inches over on the center line. I had to take the cover to 4000 abralon with no polish just to make the backend a little more controllable. If you can believe it, the ball gives me more than my Crimson Executioner with a similar layout. I have my Crimson at 4000 with Ebonite Factory Finish. I use my Crimson more, but when I get deeper in the lane and the Crimson doesnt quite have enough, I switch to the SS Ogre and not miss a beat. With your high rev rate, I would recommend taking the polish off and going with a 2000 abralon just to take some of the jump off the backend (It will still have PLENTY of backend motion) and yet make it a little more playable in the oil as well.
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balibowler · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2007, 01:47:15 PM »

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650-675rpm? I'd be surprised if you even hit 500 rpm...
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wow, thanks for your contribution to the thread. and i have to say youd be suprised then. amazingly enough, the 2 handed no thumb style of bowling allows for a TON of power. but, like i said, thats when im really diggin on it. i wouldnt do that unless it was an absolute flood or i was just messin around. its too hard to be consistent when youre trying to rip the cover off of it. but its a good option to have when no one else can wrinkle. the average # is more like 585-600.

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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2007, 01:57:29 PM »

bali,

For me, 325 rev rate with the thumb, 550+ with 2 hands and no thumb. So, I can believe it. That is why you and I should relate to one another as far as ball roll/reaction is concerned.
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balibowler · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2007, 02:03:29 PM »

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bali,

For me, 325 rev rate with the thumb, 550+ with 2 hands and no thumb. So, I can believe it. That is why you and I should relate to one another as far as ball roll/reaction is concerned.
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yes i agree. so you think the ball will be too much with its shiny surface? and what do you think of the pin axis plan? would the cover just be too strong? and also, have you thrown the ogre solid? i was also considering that as my stronger ball, or for when the backends are less than optimal.

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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 03, 2007, 02:18:55 PM »

First off, what are you looking for in a ball? What do you want it to do? If you want the backend pretty mellow, put the pin 1-2 inches from your axis. If you want both roll and backend, put the pin about 4 1/2 from the PAP. If you want to cut down flare and still get length, set the pin at 5 3/4. With the high rev rate, I definitely recommend taking off the polish and going up with the abralon pads. For heavier patterns, I would go with a Frankie May Gryphon. It has a higher flaring core to get into a roll sooner and the cover is very friendly to tweaks. I have alot of games on a FM and love it. If you want just a strong cover, the Ogre should do nicely. If you want a good combination of a strong cover and a stronger core, the FM would be optimum. I don't think you could go wrong with either ball, though.
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Badger856 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2007, 12:54:07 PM »

I have my drilled 4.5x60* and did the unthinkable to a pearl. I brought the cover down using Abalon pads (500 the 1000). The ball was speed sensitve and a bit squirty. I just wanted to experiment with the cover a bit and what a surprise I got. The ball was a complete monster on THS. Speed was not an issue nor did it squirt. As one would expect with a coarse cover this ball is truly becoming my favorite. I no longer start with the solid ogre, I go right to the SS (sanded).

scotts33 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2007, 03:15:11 PM »

Darin,

This is kind of what Rich Wonders does to his G-3 by scuffing it slightly. Maybe not 1000 abralon but it toned down the squirt and backend. My SS is drilled weaker than yours but I think I'll try the scuff method and see how I like the reaction.
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