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roaddogg · « **on:** August 09, 2008, 12:29:09 AM »

I know we talked about it over and over again. But i think that Visionary makes plenty of money to be registered with the PBA. I know i would not mind paying a little more for there product if they were to be with the PBA. Is there any new thoughts or comments about that. Also is it going to change down the line

shelley · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2008, 01:53:26 PM »

It's not just whether they can afford it, it's whether it's worth it. If they make more money by not being registered than they would by being registered, then it makes sense not to do it.

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Rileybowler · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2008, 02:00:03 PM »

I just can't imagine that they would make more by registering , they have a good product now that is priced somewhat high , not all of it but I think they are better off continuing doing what they have been doing. Just my 2 cents
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roaddogg · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2008, 01:42:21 PM »

I know that they make a great ball. That is not in question at all. I think they would make more if they were with the PBA. Look at what happened to Morich they have taken off since the Master a few years back

BigWillyStyle · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2008, 08:20:32 PM »

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I know that they make a great ball. That is not in question at all. I think they would make more if they were with the PBA. Look at what happened to Morich they have taken off since the Master a few years back

I would say this has more to do with WALTER RAY JR. being on their staff than just being on tour. Visionary was on tour before, but unless you got a big name guy, it won't make enough telecasts to matter to the average joe! I can pretty much say that since they don't do a "what's in the bag" segment, unless you already know the equipment you won't know the difference.

Do you really think that an average joe watching the pba telecast could tell the difference between, say, a Visionary Gladiator Solid and an Ebonite One?

Big Willy Style

PS...I would LOVE to see them on TV, but just isn't worth it to them right now....
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3835 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2008, 10:30:55 PM »

Between the outlandish PBA registration fees, paying at least a bowler or 2 to use your stuff and a full time tour advisor, it would almost have to be a $200,000 investment at this point PER SEASON. I do not think they would make that much more from being on TV for maybe 20 days out of the year.

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BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2008, 10:46:17 PM »

Two questions...if I was to apply for a card next year which I should be qualified already...or would like to compete as an amateur in PBA regionals...where can I get a list of what products are legal to use? Is it somewhere on the PBA site? How often does someone accidently bring an accessory or even a ball that isn't legal? Keeping up with this stuff must be difficult. I know I have Dynorooz shoes and they haven't been legal in competition for a year or two and would have to buy new shoes. I did hear from one pro if you "black out" the logos on shoes then they are legal but I don't know if that is true or not. You certainly couldn't do that with bowling balls.

Also curious, how much does it cost for registration fees cost for Visionary to register with the PBA?

3835 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2008, 11:02:34 PM »

For your PBA approved equipment:

http://www.pba.com/resources/equipmentSponsors.asp?Type=1

As for the registration fees, I believe last time I was talking to a ball company rep, full registrations for one company was over $100,000...JUST TO register....then you have to pay someone to use your stuff and have a tech advisor out there as well...YIKES!!!

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roaddogg · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2008, 11:22:14 AM »

What I was saying it has nothing to do with Walter Ray. It has to do with Danny Wiseman winning the master with the Ravage. That is when Mo-Rich started to take off. Not cause they signed WRW. They were a same company just like Visionary they are still not as big but they are there getting bigger. I think Visionary needs to take a chance out there. I would love to see there stuff win on Tour

gsback · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2008, 11:38:44 AM »

Talked with Jason about the time Haugen was on TV and threw that game against Weber I believe....279 in a losing battle. I believe he stated that from that show, he saw very little to no increase in interest as a result.

Now....would that be the fact that he lost? I don't think so. Anyone throwing a 279 in a losing battle is going to be noticed.

So, I see why he has his doubts on anything to be gained by going the PBA route.
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Joe Jr · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2008, 11:49:54 AM »

I don't think not being the national tour is hurting Visionary. But I have no doubt people not being able to throw them on the regional tour is hurting there sales.
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dpunky · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2008, 12:11:44 PM »

I honestly don't think it hurts Visionary to not have their equipment not be used on TV. I personally think that the PBA equipment licensing program for allowing equipment to be used on Tour is not good because it charges way too much to these companies and the PBA shows do not produce the necessary viewer counts to justify the high fee. Let's face it, the PBA brand is not one of the top sports brands out there. The PBA should be welcoming all bowling equipment companies to have their products be used on their telecast by using an affordable licensing program. As long as the equipment is of leagal specs (i.e. USBC standards) then it should be allowed to be used.

The PBA needs to improve their value as a sports brand before resorting to charging outrageous licensing fees. Visionary is fine without the PBA at this point.
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BigWillyStyle · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2008, 12:23:30 PM »

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I don't think not being the national tour is hurting Visionary. But I have no doubt people not being able to throw them on the regional tour is hurting there sales.

TRUE TRUE TRUE!

A few guys that I bowl in a scratch league with would LOVE to try some Visionary (one of them got a Greenie from me awhile ago and loved it in league)...but neither want to shell out the money. The worst thing in the world for them, would be to get a ball that rolls better than anything else they have, and not be able to use it!

Big Willy Style
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Moose Nugget · « **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2008, 05:18:26 PM »

I respect Jason and VBP's descision to create a business model that works for them.

That said, If you don't believe that people buy balls on Monday based on what they see the pro's using on tv you are wrong. Look at what the Cell has done for Roto Grip this past season. How many Twisted Fury's have you seen since they have been featured by most every staffer on tour. If a company produces a ball that is featured in the hands of a pro on multiple shows you will see an increase in sales because the pro's (staffer or free agent) will use what helps them make more money on tour.

Everyday bowlers will see and buy what the pro's throw, period. Now if your product is not being used on tour then it would definitely not be worth the price being asked by the PBA.

I would love to see VBP sign on at grassroots level so I could use the Gladiator's and Ogre Pearl in Regional competition. I realize however that since I already have those balls there is no incentive for VBP to spend the $$ for PBA competition.

Rileybowler · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2008, 05:32:29 PM »

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I respect Jason and VBP's descision to create a business model that works for them.

That said, If you don't believe that people buy balls on Monday based on what they see the pro's using on tv you are wrong. Look at what the Cell has done for Roto Grip this past season. How many Twisted Fury's have you seen since they have been featured by most every staffer on tour. If a company produces a ball that is featured in the hands of a pro on multiple shows you will see an increase in sales because the pro's (staffer or free agent) will use what helps them make more money on tour.

Everyday bowlers will see and buy what the pro's throw, period. Now if your product is not being used on tour then it would definitely not be worth the price being asked by the PBA.

I would love to see VBP sign on at grassroots level so I could use the Gladiator's and Ogre Pearl in Regional competition. I realize however that since I already have those balls there is no incentive for VBP to spend the $$ for PBA competition.[/quote
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One thing about the Cell was that it was a very unique ball in that the way the weight block was made and I don't know all the technical stuff on it but it had never been produced before and it gave a look no other ball had before so of course everybody wanted one. Also Scroggins never had much success until the Cell and wow he made it look so easy.Also a title had been won before on the tour on tv by Haugen using 2 different Visionary balls, so I'm sure Visionary knows if the balls sold a lot more after and with the registration fee which is extremly high had a gauge as to if it was worth it or not. Just my 2 cents.
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