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Moon57

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VERY confusing layout instructions
« on: January 02, 2009, 12:48:23 AM »
Just got my AMB Centaur Particle delivered this morning. The layout instructions are contradictory. The cutaway view of the ball shows a 1/2" black flipcap pin and a 1/4" white amb locater pin. In the instructions to find the Virtual Mass Bias it says "Locate the Virtual Mass Bias by drawing a line around the ball from the AMB pin ( on the back of the ball) through the 1/2" white flip cap pin. mark an x 13.5" from the AMBpin ( 6.75" from the white pin )" Now the problem is the cut away view shows a 1/2" black flip cap pin. The ball itself has a 1/2" white pin and a 1/4" black pin. Plus, on a ball with no holes what's the front and what's the back? It also mentions the cg area but fails to say what the cg mark consists of. I'm not happy at all with the quality of these instructions.

With that being said, logic tells me that the size of the pins is what counts. So drawing a line from the 1/4" black locater pin through the 1/2" white pin a mark 6 3/4" past the 1/2" white pin will give me the VMB. What may be the cg mark is about halfway between the 1/2" white pin and the VMB mark. The thing is though I'm not used to seeing the serial # on the front of the ball in the grip area.

I'm not going to drill any holes until somebody can straighten this out. Thanks.
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livespive

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 09:05:29 AM »
Looks pretty simple to me moon:

Just start at the white pin, drawing a line that goes through the black pin,
and go 13.5", and make an x.  That point will be your VMB Point.

Isn't there a small picture on the top of your drilling instructions?

http://www.visionarybowling.com/drillCentaurAMB.html
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Edited on 1/2/2009 10:06 AM
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J_Mac

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 09:10:03 AM »
The CG mark on Visionary equipment is a small circle above the serial numbers unless something has changed recently.
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livespive

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 09:13:44 AM »
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The CG mark on Visionary equipment is a small circle above the serial numbers unless something has changed recently.


Yeah, I forgot to mention that. lol  It does not matter as you are not using it to find the VMB, or to lay out the ball.
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Moon57

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2009, 09:15:54 AM »
livespive - After reading thru the link you sent me I see what the problem is now. On an AMB Centaur Particle the flip cap pin is white not black and the AMB pin is black not white. Visionary never bothered to include updated instructions for the AMB Centaur particle.  

If I laid the ball out like you suggested I'd have the VMB in the wrong spot.
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Moon57

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 09:21:13 AM »
J_Mac - I thought that's what it was but wasn't sure because of the serial # placement. I went on VideoBallReviews and looked at 2 Immortals and how they were laid out. The flip cap pins on both balls were 1/2" white and the serial numbers were about in the grip center.

Thanks for responding so quick guys. I want to get this drilled up as soon as the ball comes up to room temp.
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livespive

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 09:27:18 AM »
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livespive - After reading thru the link you sent me I see what the problem is now. On an AMB Centaur Particle the flip cap pin is white not black and the AMB pin is black not white. Visionary never bothered to include updated instructions for the AMB Centaur particle.  

If I laid the ball out like you suggested I'd have the VMB in the wrong spot.
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Yeah, I think they do that because of the color of the ball......

The flip cap pin is the larger of the 2 pins, and the locator pin is the smaller.

Beside the sheet tells you what color they are:

To Layout the AMB properly, you must first mark the "Virtual Mass Bias" by drawing a line from the 1/4" locator pin on the backside around the ball, through the 1/2" Flip Pin ****(black pin on the Bronze Pearl AMB, white pin on the Particle AMB)****. Mark an "x"180 degrees from the AMB pin (exact opposite side of the ball) 13 1/2" from the AMB pin which puts the "x" 6 3/4" from the flip pin. This Virtual Mass Bias point can then be treated using the same general rules that apply to other typical mass bias spots.

Unless it doesn't say that on your sheet.

But as you said:

"So many questions, so little time but I'm having fun."

You ARE having fun aren't you? lol

You will have fun once you get the ball drilled, and find enough oil for it. lol

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Edited on 1/2/2009 10:28 AM
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Moon57

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009, 09:42:57 AM »
The part that got me goofed up was the diagram of the ball on my instruction sheet showed a black flip cap pin. The instructions said white though. All is good now and I hope I have fun watching this ball hit the pocket when other people start blowing past their breakpoint. I've got enough other equipment that I only need this ball to do what it was intended to do.

Thanks again.
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livespive

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2009, 09:44:52 AM »
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The part that got me goofed up was the diagram of the ball on my instruction sheet showed a black flip cap pin. The instructions said white though. All is good now and I hope I have fun watching this ball hit the pocket when other people start blowing past their breakpoint. I've got enough other equipment that I only need this ball to do what it was intended to do.

Thanks again.
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No problem,

Trust me, it will
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Moon57

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009, 10:54:50 AM »
I'm gonna try this one OOB the first time just to see what all the hoopla's about. I've got a spinner so making it a little less aggressive isn't a problem.
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scotts33

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 10:57:50 AM »
It will be a great ball for a flood OOB.  That is what it is intended for...see Visionary's website.

"Lane Conditions:     Extremely Heavy Oil"


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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:48 AM »
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If I may say, the 320 grit this ball comes with is so strong that you will need darn near Quakerstate motor oil to keep it in play or it will simply roll-out, stick it on a Ball resurfacing machine to at least 500 Abralon for about a hour so you can use it on realistic Heavy oil, doing a Final sand of 320 was Visionary's stupid mistake with this ball, I sanded mine to 1000 and still needs a 45 foot flood to keep it down!
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Now tell me why was it stupid?? The ball filled a major void in the market, a super heavy oil ball. The ball does what its suppose to do right? Its not visionary or the centaur particle's fault you dont throw it in the right conditions...
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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2009, 11:14:52 AM »
Oh BTW i have one and its sitting in the box in my living room still cause I have no use for it as of right now, but I know I will one day. Im not going to try and force a ball to work on a THS that it wasn't intended for.
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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009, 12:01:27 PM »
I have it at 2k abralon and polished it is still stupid strong in any oil, Only a Legends NS/2 at 1k no polish is close to this ball in oil handling power.


I would use at least a 5 inch pin to pap but it is your call do whatever you deem fit.
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Moon57

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 12:14:07 PM »
I'm pretty sure I'm going to drill it 5 x 5. That drill together with adjusting the surface should get me what I want out of it. Plus I can always go up the back instead of twisting it.
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