Author Topic: Question on new rules (Read 10470 times)

thedjs · « **on:** August 16, 2018, 03:43:19 PM »

Under the new rules from the USBC you can only clean your ball with a dry towel. This is going to be tough in my house as balls pick up some kind of rubber or other gook in the ball return that a dry towel will not remove. It gets all over the balls and will even stick to your hands. And yes we have all complained to the manager, but nothing changes. This is a Bowlmor house. Since this is the only house left in our city we don't have a lot of options.

Anyway what I want to know is can a league vote to have their own rules about ball cleaning even if it does not comply with the USBC?

psycaz · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2018, 05:24:38 PM »

This article on Bowl.com says it takes effect 8-1-2019

https://www.bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622331019

The change allowing only a dry towel to clean bowling balls during competition becomes effective Aug. 1, 2019. It eliminates the use of liquid cleaners of any kind during competition, which aligns with other changes to ensure equipment is not manipulated during competition. The change prohibiting a bowler from adjusting static weight during a competition by drilling grip holes deeper goes into effect Aug. 1, 2020.

Bowler19525 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2018, 07:38:02 PM »

I do not believe that a league bylaw can be established that supersedes the ball cleaning rules. Otherwise leagues will be establishing rules to undo all kinds of things.

The USBC has clarified in the new cleaning rule FAQ that if a bowler gets something on the ball during sanctioned competition that a dry towel will not remove, they can consult with a league officer to determine what should be done at that point.

Bowlaholic · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2018, 08:14:52 PM »

Dry Towel definition......Anyone know what the definition is? Such as cotton terry cloth?, micro fiber cloth?, leather shammy pads? other?
I think I will be a little upset if my numerous leather shammy pads are deemed illegal to wipe the oil from my ball between shots in USBC competition.

CoorZero · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2018, 08:52:13 PM »

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/TechnologyStudy/2018BTS-FAQ.pdf

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7. What type of towels are approved for use during USBC certified competition?

All dry towels are allowed, if it doesnâ€™t alter the surface of the bowling ball. This includes the use of dry shammys.

8. Since I can only use a dry towel to clean my ball, what if it was used with a liquid
cleaner prior to competition?

Yes, you can use that towel if the towel is dry at the time of use during competition.

Bowlaholic · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2018, 09:48:32 PM »

Thanks Coor Zero.
It appears my leather shammies are not deemed illegal. Whew!

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2018, 05:39:58 AM »

Quote from: CoorZero on August 16, 2018, 08:52:13 PM

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/TechnologyStudy/2018BTS-FAQ.pdf

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7. What type of towels are approved for use during USBC certified competition?

All dry towels are allowed, if it doesnâ€™t alter the surface of the bowling ball. This includes the use of dry shammys.

8. Since I can only use a dry towel to clean my ball, what if it was used with a liquid
cleaner prior to competition?

Yes, you can use that towel if the towel is dry at the time of use during competition.

If you recall, at one time, the PBA was considering outlawing micro-fiber towels because they do change the surface of a ball if rubbed hard enough. The same must also hold true for leather shammies.

The USBC is once again talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.

How can they allow thesE towels if they no longer allow cleaning fluids WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVEN NOT TO AFFECT THE SURFACE OF THE BALL.

??

The USBC acts as if all BPAA proprietor's and managers insure their lanes are taken care of in an exemplary manner. That, of course, is a load of nonsense. Far too many do only the absolute minimum that allows bowling by even open bowlers. In such places, balls come out of the ball return loaded with such garbage that a very strong cleaner is virtually essential.

HankScorpio · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2018, 07:03:43 AM »

Quote from: charlest on August 17, 2018, 05:39:58 AM

Quote from: CoorZero on August 16, 2018, 08:52:13 PM
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/TechnologyStudy/2018BTS-FAQ.pdf

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7. What type of towels are approved for use during USBC certified competition?

All dry towels are allowed, if it doesnâ€™t alter the surface of the bowling ball. This includes the use of dry shammys.

8. Since I can only use a dry towel to clean my ball, what if it was used with a liquid
cleaner prior to competition?

Yes, you can use that towel if the towel is dry at the time of use during competition.

If you recall, at one time, the PBA was considering outlawing micro-fiber towels because they do change the surface of a ball if rubbed hard enough. The same must also hold true for leather shammies.

The USBC is once again talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.

How can they allow thesE towels if they no longer allow cleaning fluids WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVEN NOT TO AFFECT THE SURFACE OF THE BALL. ??

The USBC acts as if all BPAA proprietor's and managers insure their lanes are taken care of in an exemplary manner. That, of course, is a load of nonsense. Far too many do only the absolute minimum that allows bowling by even open bowlers. In such places, balls come out of the ball return loaded with such garbage that a very strong cleaner is virtually essential.

I know it's fun to blame the USBC, but let's examine what they're doing for a second here.

They gave everyone the opportunity to use cleaners that don't change the surface during competition. Many complied, and many decided to cheat the rules and put whatever they wanted on towels hoping that no one would see and no one would be able to tell. Since bowlers won't comply, there's only two solutions: make everything legal or make everything illegal.

I don't like the rule, but USBC is often a scapegoat to the fact that bowlers are the ones ruining bowling.

As for crap coming back on your ball, USBC has said that cleaners are allowed in such cases with approval from, I believe, a league officer.

ignitebowling · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2018, 07:30:45 AM »

Email usbc directly and ask them if water is considered a liquid "cleaner".

BowlingForDonuts · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2018, 09:47:33 AM »

Yep the lack of rules from the USBC is killing bowling for sure. Like the wild west out there. Indifferent to this rule per say and motion holes thing was mildly annoying (static weights in 2018 gj) but have a feeling the real deal breaker will be in the next batch of USBC throwning manure against the wall. Keep raising the barrier of entry for the sport side. I am sure that is good for long term health of the sport what with open bowling being where the entire industry is headed.

vwDiesel · « **Reply #10 on:** August 17, 2018, 10:09:15 AM »

Thanks CoorZero for that link. My favorite Q&A:

10. If I plug a balance hole I currently have, how will my ball roll different?
It may vary based on the layout chosen by you and your pro shop professional. In general, your ball should go longer before it starts to hook.

Ray: Hey Bob, my ball is skidding too much now.
Bob: Hit it with a 500 pad.

Good grief, USBC.

Kegler300800 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2018, 10:37:34 AM »

They are banning liquid cleaners during league and tournament play because it cannot be determined what the chemical makeup of the cleaner is at the time of use. The bottle can say "Approved by USBC At All Times" yet inside the bottle could be acetone or some scuffing compound.

I totally support this rule.

ignitebowling · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2018, 10:41:10 AM »

Quote from: Kegler300800 on August 17, 2018, 10:37:34 AM

They are banning liquid cleaners during league and tournament play because it cannot be determined what the chemical makeup of the cleaner is at the time of use. The bottle can say "Approved by USBC At All Times" yet inside the bottle could be acetone or some scuffing compound.

I totally support this rule.

You cant tell the static weight of a ball by looking at it either. Since no one checks technically static weight rules do not apply. Neither rule affects scoring or betters the bowlers experience

imagonman · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2018, 11:27:43 AM »

Quote from: Kegler300800 on August 17, 2018, 10:37:34 AM

They are banning liquid cleaners during league and tournament play because it cannot be determined what the chemical makeup of the cleaner is at the time of use. The bottle can say "Approved by USBC At All Times" yet inside the bottle could be acetone or some scuffing compound.

I totally support this rule.

Good , then YOU come clean all the dog$hit off everyone's balls w/ your dry towel. I bet you totally support the government too, JACKA$$!

DP3 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2018, 02:43:49 PM »

If it's a house shot and your ball gets a mark on it, pick up one of the other 5 in the bag. It'll still strike

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