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tizzle

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Break Point
« on: March 01, 2009, 10:41:58 AM »
Does anybody else have some real world experience with this ball. There has been absolutely no reviews on this thing, how is it?
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2009, 07:31:12 AM »
jim
  your profile says power stroker, could you tell me your speed and about how is your revs rate?? with this layout in the break point do you still have to change your hand position at all to stay right of where you usually are?? just curious was thinking of trying something like this just for that reason.. slashrr69

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Re: Break Point
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2009, 07:35:24 AM »
what Jimbo did not say is he drilled his break Point for PBA and SASBA enviroment, not necesarily for THS that us meer mortals see everynight. His is drilled for a specific reaction to be used on a specific situation he sees and needs a ball to dominate. From his feed back he got what he wanted and needed.

I threw mine last night, as I stated earlier in this post, being ameer mortal my sxcoring does hold a candle to a multi- senior title holder. I was clean for 29 of 30 frames one open on a bad by me washout. 686 with some issues not being able to trip a 4 pin in the 3rd game, made an adjustment only to ping a 10, so back to the right a smig, to leave 2 more 4's. Then again that's why the name on the back of my shirt says "House Hack".

Jimbo thanks for the review I'm sure some of the 900G family non hacks reading your post will in fact find your review useful. Mine just hooks and covers a buch of boards the last 15-18 feet with plenty of continuation !!!
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2009, 08:41:53 AM »
Tekneek,..you're too humble.  
slashrr69,...I'm 6'1",about 245, and 60 years old. That being said I would put my ball speed and rev rate in the same category as Pete Weber or Mike Aulby.
Granted those guys are way outta my league, but I like to think that they're release and rotation looks like mine,..the release is a more flat at the bottom, and a longer reach, trying to impart forward roll rather than early tilt..
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2009, 08:55:40 AM »
Jim,

That's really wild that you have that kind of layout on the Break Point because it's the exact layout I've wnated to put on some of my equipment for a while to allow a smooth consistent roll that doesn't force me to deviate.  Glad to hear it rolls exactly the way it should.  By my estimate for a dual angle layout that shouild be something like a 60 X 1 1/2 X 30 or something similar.

The question I have about the Break Point is do you think it's stronger than the Bounty?  I know on paper the Bounty is supposed to handle longer/heavier oil.  But from what I've seen out of the core in the Break series the Break Point even with a 4000 grit cover could probably out perform the Bounty.

Does anyone have any comparison between the two?

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Re: Break Point
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2009, 09:55:21 AM »
IMHO, the Bounty handles a LOT more oil than the Break Point (OOB on both). The only ball coming out of San Antonio that handles more oil than the Bounty is the Mega. I like the Break Point, it definitely has a place in my arsenal, but the S-75 is stronger than the BP also.

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Jim,

That's really wild that you have that kind of layout on the Break Point because it's the exact layout I've wnated to put on some of my equipment for a while to allow a smooth consistent roll that doesn't force me to deviate.  Glad to hear it rolls exactly the way it should.  By my estimate for a dual angle layout that shouild be something like a 60 X 1 1/2 X 30 or something similar.

The question I have about the Break Point is do you think it's stronger than the Bounty?  I know on paper the Bounty is supposed to handle longer/heavier oil.  But from what I've seen out of the core in the Break series the Break Point even with a 4000 grit cover could probably out perform the Bounty.

Does anyone have any comparison between the two?

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Re: Break Point
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2009, 10:03:24 AM »
I would agree, but having a different shape and Break Point, pun intended, it appears to handle more or as much as the Bounty, but never as much soup as the S-75, the 75 just has more teeth, lol
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tekneek

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Re: Break Point
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2009, 10:03:30 AM »
I would agree, but having a different shape and Break Point, pun intended, it appears to handle more or as much as the Bounty, but never as much soup as the S-75, the 75 just has more teeth, lol
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2009, 10:08:02 AM »
"The question I have about the Break Point is do you think it's stronger than the Bounty?"
answer: No, Bounty has a stronger coverstock for one thing..s77, comparing both balls out of the box, the Bounty by two car lengths...easy.
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2009, 10:16:06 AM »
jim:

I know the cover is stronger etc.  However there's a lot of equipment out there that can handle massive amounts of long oil and heavy oil that are not necessarily rated higher than a typical "heavy oil" ball.

The Virtual Gravity is a great example, it's 4000 OOB but can out perform almost anything, even my LevRG at 1000.  Also looking at the RG diff and the core in the ball itself that's why I asked the question, the core in the Break series appears to be much stronger, especially from what I've seen on the lanes.  

So based on what some people are saying would you consider the break s75 stronger than the Bounty?

I guess I'm just skeptic about the core in the Bounty, I like the idea of a high density high revving core like in the Break series with the ability to change direction and move energy throughout the whole ball.  A core like the Bounty of a T shape to me will just want to turn early but with not a lot of continuation.  Much like my old Seek & Destroy, that ball rolled out a lot and on heavier patterns if it didn't have an early break point it was DOA.  

I'll just have to wait until I see them both in person I guess.

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Re: Break Point
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2009, 10:16:45 AM »
ok now lets stay on the same page here Jimbo, car lengths are we referring to the balls diameter, or a cars length? You have confused this mear mortal. lol
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2009, 10:34:41 AM »
I have both the Bounty and Break Solid...there's no comparison.  The Bounty's cover makes for a much stronger midlane read with continuation.  The Break goes longer with a tad more angularity.

A 1/2 car length (real) might be appropriate.  
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2009, 11:14:23 AM »
what i have seen is the Bounty is much stronger in the mid lane but the BP is much stronger down the lane.  Two completely different ball reactions imo.  Would love to post a video but i seem to be technology challenged.  LOL.
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2009, 11:18:22 AM »
Hosel, you ain't the only one tech challenged LOL
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2009, 11:35:30 AM »
I had a big post going here about 'stronger' balls, and then we had a fire drill at work with a power-flux and lost it all, so in brief..the Bounty and the Breaks all fit under Strong,..but the reason that 900 makes 4 different Breaks is for a set of balls (watch-it) that will each have a slightly different strong look. The Bounty is strong in its own right, stronger than the Breaks,...maybe...maybe not.  You say tomato..I say tomatoe'....we're talking car lengths in a 500 lap race,..all depends on the driver and the track,..besides when surveyed most bowlers choose color over performance first,..so if I had my choice, I'd take a case of Bounties over a set of Breaks,..drill'em up 4 different ways, adjust the surfaces, and away I'd go,..but I really dig the color of the Bounty...jim
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Re: Break Point
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2009, 12:21:55 PM »
From what you've described I think that you'd love the S-75. That ball doesn't always get the kudos it deserves, it is by far my favorite of the three being discussed here.

The S-75 is certainly not weaker than a Bounty...just different. S-75, for me, is MUCH stronger than Break Point.

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jim:

I know the cover is stronger etc.  However there's a lot of equipment out there that can handle massive amounts of long oil and heavy oil that are not necessarily rated higher than a typical "heavy oil" ball.

The Virtual Gravity is a great example, it's 4000 OOB but can out perform almost anything, even my LevRG at 1000.  Also looking at the RG diff and the core in the ball itself that's why I asked the question, the core in the Break series appears to be much stronger, especially from what I've seen on the lanes.  

So based on what some people are saying would you consider the break s75 stronger than the Bounty?

I guess I'm just skeptic about the core in the Bounty, I like the idea of a high density high revving core like in the Break series with the ability to change direction and move energy throughout the whole ball.  A core like the Bounty of a T shape to me will just want to turn early but with not a lot of continuation.  Much like my old Seek & Destroy, that ball rolled out a lot and on heavier patterns if it didn't have an early break point it was DOA.  

I'll just have to wait until I see them both in person I guess.

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