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cantbeatlane1

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Constructive Criticism Wanted
« on: May 19, 2010, 06:50:21 AM »
Hello,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIj0jLRUjw

This is posted in a thread at BBE, but I wanted to post this here, also. Here is a short 3 shot video of me bowling. I know that my hand is on the outside part of the ball, and that the ball is too far from my left ankle. I want to work more of the inside part of the ball, and of course get it closer to my ankle, but I do not know how to implement these changes. Any advice will be greatly appreciated, and if you see anything else, point it out! That's what this is for!

Thanks,

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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 02:57:34 PM »
I think your own analysis is about spot on... you need to be on the "inside" part of the ball, especially at release (which should clear up your not being too close to your ankle).
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2010, 03:15:01 PM »
Here's some advice:  Prepare for what's to come by a certain group of users on this site....the ones i'm talking about will be self evident when they show up.

As for the form, I agree you are spot on, tighten up the swing closer to you're ankle, get more under the ball.  One thing i'd suggest is maybe a little deeper knee bend....
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2010, 03:19:46 PM »
GoodTimes:


I know sometimes people can be strong-worded, but I am welcome to criticism. After all, I am trying to get better. Thanks for the tip, I will work on that!

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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2010, 03:21:11 PM »
The best way to get your hand under the ball is to get your entire arm under the ball.  Start your approach with your elbow tucked against your body, and keep it there.  You won't have to think about keeping your hand under the ball because you'll already have your arm in a nice line supporting the weight of the ball and keeping the swing plane as simple and direct as possible.  This should improve your accuracy and consistency and improve the way the ball rolls off your hand.
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2010, 03:26:42 PM »
You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny..

Oh, you said "constructive"..nevermind...
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2010, 03:30:58 PM »
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The best way to get your hand under the ball is to get your entire arm under the ball.  Start your approach with your elbow tucked against your body, and keep it there.  You won't have to think about keeping your hand under the ball because you'll already have your arm in a nice line supporting the weight of the ball and keeping the swing plane as simple and direct as possible.  This should improve your accuracy and consistency and improve the way the ball rolls off your hand.


I agree with this!  You seem to put the ball on a good trajectory to the break point, staying under it more is only going to improve that, and will give you more of a consistant move off the spot.  When you let the arm get out there and around the ball (more mechanics than necessary), you leave a lot of opportunity for things to creep their way in.  Condense it all down, remember:  simpler sometimes = better.
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2010, 03:35:34 PM »
Thanks guys keep them coming.
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2010, 03:46:31 PM »
How I get my hand to be inside the ball is on my pushaway I push the ball with my other hand out so my hand is inside the ball when I start from the get go. So when I lock my elbow in position it stays there all the way threw my arm swing.

 It works for me.
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2010, 04:23:18 PM »
If you watch the third toss closely you will see that you start with the elbow fairly tight and the ball of to the side. On the initial movement of the ball the ball comes in towards the body and the elbow comes out and now you are in a weaker position the rest of the way. Try to just lest the ball fall straight down with that elbow tight and you will be in a stronger hand position at release. You may also want to try and keep down a little more at the line, kicking the leg off into the air is regarded by many to be a no-no. Take a look at Parker Bohn when he bowls, his footwork in impeccable
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2010, 05:22:31 PM »
Okay this may sound werid but it has helped me work the inside alot.

Point you pointer finger (on your right hand) at your target on the lane, like say 3rd arrow, make a point of keeping it in the same position. It always helped me work the inside of the ball, gave me more power, better carry and angle to the pins.

It will feel pretty werid the first couple of times.
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2010, 03:22:03 AM »
I agree with getting your hand more on the inside of the ball from the start. Another path you could explore would be to straighten up your approach a bit.


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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2010, 08:03:00 PM »
I'm with mainzer, except I just think of it in a different way.  Keeping the weight of the ball more centered on the ball of your index finger, if your hand was under the ball, is how I think of it.  During the swing the ball of the index finger is basically behind the ball.  Doing this keeps the fingers at least behind the ball.
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2010, 08:16:35 PM »
Several mentioned a couple of cues that have worked for them.  
As a general tip, I would as another mentioned, recommend thinking about tucking the elbow.  I liken it to the golf training tip, "if you can keep a towel tucked under your arm..."
That might be a bit of over-correction, but thinking about keeping your elbow close to the body will automatically enforce the hand staying under the ball because your forearm will be facing up naturally.
One comment about your video, you actually self-correct pretty well.  One of the tell-tale signs of things going wrong is "chicken-winging".  That''s when your elbow gets away from your body on the downswing and you get around the ball causing this "chicken-wing" effect.  You come through the shot OK.  It really isn''t too bad.
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Re: Constructive Criticism Wanted
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2010, 06:41:27 AM »
Looks decent. Nice and fluid.

I'd echo the comments of everyone else, about getting the hand behind the ball more. The position of your hand at release is good, but the delivery would be stronger if you could move to that position as you release.

I would also try not to lift the ball so much. Your hand accelerates quite a bit after the ball comes off, a sign that you're muscling the ball, which will tend towards an inconsistent reaction. There is no really quick route to doing this, other than to try and soften the armswing after you let go of the ball. I liken it to imagining that you're drinking from a glass (in terms of hand position and speed of movement of the arm).
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