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DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« on: October 10, 2007, 01:35:40 AM »
Hi there,

it was about time to make a nother video check of mine (and test new equipment with a better resolution), so I made some video shots of myself at my (deserted) club house from various angles and some slomo-sequences:

http://media.putfile.com/Style-study-Oct-2007

Overall I am quite content, since I managed to move my body's CG further back, avoid too much bend of the upper body upon release and get away from a planted final step to some real slide that has improved both balance and leverage during the release. Ball reaction and carry have improved considerably during the past 6 months.

The only thing that worries me (a little) and where I am looking for some opinions is the timing of my pushaway - I perform a 5-step-approach, and it feels as if I start my pushaway in time with the 2nd step.
But the video tells something else, I seem to ba a tad late, or too fast with me feet? Well, since I can wait in/after the slide at the foul line for the ball to come forward, this is IMHO not a big problem, early timing would surely be worse, but I am not sure if I should do something about it?

Any comments or suggestions are welcome! Thanks a lot in advance
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2007, 09:53:47 AM »
Looks like your stiff and kinda bobbing away as you make your approach...
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2007, 11:36:54 AM »
Try holding the ball at your hip and pushing it out and slightly down with the 2nd step. Just let it fall. If you need to throw it slower or faster, then you can hold it higher or lower.

You could also try to not creep to the line like that and just walk as you would normally.
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2007, 09:48:41 PM »
I'm no expert but I see the swing starting after the 2nd step, more like the beginning of the 3rd step.  You end up shortening your backswing to make up for it.
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2007, 10:53:08 PM »
Check your thumb pitches or take some tape out.
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2007, 02:27:17 AM »
Thank you so far for the replies - sorry that I come back that late, I had been sick and at bed a couple of days.

@ BO: Well, the video should be about 2:30 in length - maybe putfile did something to the file while converting it to Flash, I'll check that!

Hmm, I am not sure where to improve further. Before this current "state of the art", I used to walk totally upright to the foul line, with just a minute knee bend, and it caused lots of trouble: late thumb exit, no slide, slide foot pointing to the left, tons of loft, bent upper body because I'd follow the ball too long after its release.

Yes, it still looks wooden, but the flexed knees from the beginning have made things a lot smoother, and the release in itself is much better now.

I'll give a lower pushaway a try. The current style is the result of my findings that my pendulum works best when I get my arm fully extended in the pushaway phase, but I might exagerrate it (too much upward ball movement) - which also adds to the late pendulum.

About the trailing leg: yes, that's something I also recognized, but I did not pay too much attention to it. I guess I should try to focus on a straight leg - I bend the knee, so that I try to balance the body through muscle effort, not simply through gravity and an additional contact with the ground. That's something I'll also look into.

Many thanks so far, I'll re-upload the video, hopefully it will show ALL of the horror


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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 01:31:44 AM »
Your muscled arm swing is caused by where you hold to ball in you stance. You hold it shoulder high and slightly to the right. Also when you push it away you push it up instead of out or down. You should try holding your elbow tight against your hip with the ball approximately chest high at the most. Your push away should go straight ahead. If you make this change you should also correct you starting position. Start by having you feet pointed in the same direction of your shoulders. Right now what I see is that your feet point to the left while your shoulders point toward you target. Your first step or two go in the direction they are pointed while your arm swing is toward you target causing your armswing to wrap behind your ball slightly. I also feel that you over corrected yourself by bending your knees too much therefor keeping your back too straight. Back off of the knee bend slightly and bend a tad at the waist keeping your shoulders over you knees. Your knee bend is great but a little exaggerated. The last thing I would advice you to do is to shuffle your feet a little more. Every step comes completely off of the ground causing you to bounce up and down throughout your approach. If you take any of my advice, please post a new video so I can see if it helped.

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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2007, 01:17:09 PM »
Hi dizzy,

Your ball is in front of your hip on on your 3rd step.

On your fourth step, the ball is at your hip.

You muscle the ball through on your last step.


I have the exact same timing, (except that I am a 4-stepper).
I spent 2 years of coaching trying to change my timing.
My coach and myself, concurred, that after 50 years of bowling,
I was fighting an uphill battle. I took this year off of bowling.

I have the same feeling of timing that you mention. When I see the video of myself, it's not what I feel.

My recommendations:

1. Lower your ball in your stance (down to armpit area).
2. Make sure  you keep your feet slow.
3. Work on keeping your trailing leg on the ground. (Problem I had/have).
4. Try to get more knee bend...it will give the ball a chance to catch up with your feet.

It looks like you miss the bottom of your swing, when you release the ball.
Either that is timing related, pitch-related, or hole-size related, or a combination of all.

Feel free to PM with any questions.



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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 06:03:48 AM »
Thank you for all the suggestions. What I tried (successfully, as far as i can tell) is to lower the ball in the adress position to hip height. Felt weird in the beginning, but just moving the ball forward and letting it go has IMO been an overall timing progress. I do not have the feeling that I'd have to hurry with my feet due to the higher and pretty forced pushaway. Another benefit seems to be a straighter swing and better overall control - I tried the new trick in training and in league this weekend, and I was positively surprised how steadily I hit my mark at the arrows, and how repetitive the ball reaction was.

The trailing leg is something I keep in the back of my mind, because I am with you that this causes too much unnecessary movement in the upper body through the "free" counterbalancing.

Yes, you are correct about my muscled forward swing end phase. I incorporated this 2 years ago when I'd have a completely free swing (or what I thought it was?) with a crap release. In search for some speed and revs a coach suggested to speed up the forward swing a bit, and this has been pretty successful for me, because I have the feeling of driving the ball out onto the lane. Downside is that I created lots of loft through this, which I am reducing now through better timing - at least that's the plan, and it is bitterly necessary.

Tough job to puzzle everything together. I guess I won't be able to post another video quickly, but I have taken up your suggestions and experiment with them. There is some potential left.

By the way, video has been fixed: http://media.putfile.com/Style-study-Oct-07
The original got disrupted while saving it on my PC, so I installed a copy that should run full length with some additional views
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2007, 09:06:36 AM »
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I am giving serious thought of giving up bowling and selling all of my equipment after I finish the current season. When a person consistantly shoots 25-30 pins below what they were doing even as recent as 4 years ago, it is no longer fun.


You shouldnt ever drop that much unless there is a significant injury.
There is probably a mechanical flaw that can be fixed thats hindering your scores.

In bowling you shouldnt "just lose it" in a short period of time.
Fixing mechanical flaws is difficult to do, and nearly impossible without video feedback.
Keep getting the work in, you'll be alright.
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2007, 10:08:20 AM »
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You shouldnt ever drop that much unless there is a significant injury.
There is probably a mechanical flaw that can be fixed thats hindering your scores.

In bowling you shouldnt "just lose it" in a short period of time.
Fixing mechanical flaws is difficult to do, and nearly impossible without video feedback.
Keep getting the work in, you'll be alright.
You gotta "want it" bad to get better.



Eric,
I can see that you haven't reached the 50-year-plateau yet...
Strange things happen with age.


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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2007, 10:53:21 AM »
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There are great drills for overcoming timing errors and issues with the pushaway on the www.bowlingknowledge.info web site. Coach Joe Slowinski has put together a treasure trove of bowling information on his site. I have had good success using some of his drills with my students.
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Cool link, thank you for posting this
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2007, 10:59:34 PM »
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You're throwing it with the wrong hand.
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 11:04:44 PM »
The time of the pushaway is fine, but, you push the ball up creating too much delay. Notice the ball should next to your leg on the third step. It is still in front of you causing to pass your hips while your are going into the fourth step. This makes you walk around your swing. So, when you get to the line, you have to catch yourself to keep from falling off. In addition, it throws your swing off line and forces you to swing around your body.
It's not hard to correct. Start the ball at waist level and push straight ahead or slightly downward in the pushaway. This will bring the ball into correct time.

Joe

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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 02:05:03 AM »
Dizzy! I think you should follow the advice from jfirpo. It's spot on.

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