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BVP Goliath
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
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The Brunswick BVP™ and Monster™ ball lines were developed to provide the widest range of reactions available at the popular moderate price point. This line-up provides any bowler the ball performance they’re looking for at a price they can afford.

Technology – Hook Potential Scale Expanded
Advanced Particle Technology and a new core system have resulted in the Goliath, the highest hook potential ball in Brunswick’s history. Brunswick’s Hook Potential Scale, formerly 10 – 150, has been expanded to
10 – 175 to accommodate the 160 Hook Potential rating of the Goliath.

Medium RG: Goliath’s new inverted bell core system is a medium RG design that is a perfect match to the Goliath high traction coverstock. High traction coverstocks can roll too early when combined with lower RG cores. The Goliath core helps create mid-lane recovery and a strong arcing backend reaction.

Medium RG Differential: With an RGdiff. of 0.044 the Goliath Inverted Bell Core System will provide plenty of track flare for most bowlers without encountering the problems associated with over-flaring.

New Particle Coverstock: Goliath’s High-Load Particle coverstock is the result of extensive R&D and six years of particle coverstock development. These experiences have combined to produce a coverstock that significantly improves particle ball performance. Compared to Brunswick’s previous mid-price particle offerings, the Goliath has both a higher hook potential and a more skid/snap arc. Bowlers will find that these performance enhancements result in a particle ball with greater room for error and improved pin carry on many lane conditions.

400-grit wet sand finish: Goliath is finished dull to increase its hooking action in the oil.

Reaction Characteristics
Out of the box: With its 400-grit wet sand surface the Goliath is an ideal heavy oil ball. The high-load particle coverstock increases traction and hooking action in the oil, reducing skid and maximizing playability in heavy oil.

When shined: Using Brunswick’s Factory Finish High Gloss Polish the total hooking action of the Goliath can be reduced to a more moderate hook potential and the arc made more skid/snap. Changing the surface finish in this way allows the Goliath to be used to smooth the over/under reactions seen with Reactive coverstock balls on medium volume wet/dry lane conditions. With its new particle coverstock, even high RPM players with be able to use the Goliath shined to smooth wet/dry lane conditions while avoiding the early hooking action associated with many high load particle balls.

Coverstock
High Load Particle
Color: Deep Purple
Hardness: 76-78
Factory Finish
400-Grit Wet Sand
More Information

Core Dynamics
RG Max: 2.590”  
RG Min: 2.546”
RG Diff: 0.044”
RG Avg: 4.8
Performance
Hook Potential: 160
Length: 45
Breakpoint Shape: 45
Available Weights
10-16 Pounds

 

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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2004, 08:42:11 PM »
THIS BALL IS VERY Compatible TO THE UI BUT STRONGER READS THE MidlAne VERY GOOD COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER BALLS ON THE MARKET TODAY. IF U WANT A BALL FOR OIL AND DON'T WANT TO SPEND Allot OF MONEY THIS IS YOUR PIECE GREAT BALL FOR THE MONEY. BRUNSWICK KEEP IT UP
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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2004, 06:01:56 PM »
I had my Goliath drilled 4 by 3 1/2 with a 1 inch x-hole on my axis.  This ball really reminds me of a Danger Zone HPH.  I was still able to get the ball to clear the heads rather easily and this ball makes a very strong arc to the pocket.  It didn't seem to lose any carry until the heads went, but that was to be expected.  As with any heavy load particle ball, you need to know when to put this ball away.  No oil up front equals flat pocket hits and early hook.   This ball is going to make a lot of hook-challenged people happy, and the coverstock adaptability will allow you to fine tune your look.
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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2004, 04:21:48 PM »
Alright. I am actually posting for my dad since i bought him the ball.

Specs:
14lbs 4oz
3 inch pin
3 oz top weight
Drilled: 4 x 2 with the x hole one inch below his PAP.
Pin above the fingers
He's left handed, high track player, throws 13 to 15 mph and has a low rev rate.

Lanes:
Brunswick HPL Synthetics
Oil 35 feet 1 to 1
Clean Backend/Freshly Oiled

My dad needed a particle ball when the Lanes were heavily oiled up front with clean backends. He had a Ultimate Inferno for an oil ball but the ball would skid then rev up in the mid lane and then start to roll up in the back only. Plus with a bowler with a low rev rate it was difficult for him.

So it was between getting him a Raging Inferno and Goliath. Since the Raging does rev up but is a Pearl Partice i figure the ball would still rev early but still slide a little in front. So with the help of Brunswick Rep RIC HAMLIN, he suggested to try the NEW Goliath.

I picked one up instantly and punched it out. Right away when my dad threw it you can see the ball start to rev very early. The ball would have a look of a snap/arc and when it hit the pins it kept driving keeping the pins really low. When he went light the pins would scatter keeping the pins on deck with a nice mixture.

This is the first ball that i have seen that has really worked out for him in the oil. I trully recommend this ball for any type of player. It would be a good ball to have in the bag when that fresh pattern is present.

Good going Brunswick and keep up the good work.

Thanks RIC HAMLIN for the advice!



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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2004, 07:31:42 PM »
Hey ya'll this is my first review.......
I bought the Goliath because of the fact I have a faster ball speed and our house had just put down brand-new Pro-Anvil lanes.  Everyone in the house was having problems with their reaction......including myself.  I also work in the Pro-Shop and had experimented with a couple of different theories......but of course to no avail.  I also had to slow my current ball way down......probably close to 1 to 1 and half mph.....so I started doing some research on particle balls.....and the Goliath is what I was lead to everytime......mostly because of the skid/snap in the ball......most particle balls as we know catch very early and lose power going down the lane.......OH BUT NOT THE GOLIATH.......It stores more energy than any other particle ball I have ever seen......I bought a Flipside WOW Pearl about 3 months before the Goliath and am about ready to sell it (hahahaha)........The drill pattern that I put on it is.......1/4 in Label Shift with the pin directly under the ring finger......Golden Oval lifts......and the out of box finish......(WHO WOULD WANT TO CHANGE IT!!!!!).....The ball came out with 1/8 oz positive side weight and 3/8 oz finger weight......Oh almost forgot to mention the pin was only 1 3/4 in away from the pin.......I Love this ball and have recommended it (and the Nemesis) to many of my customers........This ball is price effective and Game effective........Brunswick keep up the great work and keep those mid priced reactive balls coming!!!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 02:48:09 PM »
This is my first review, I am new to this site, but I just bought a Goliath last night and man was I impressed.  I walked into the pro shop and explained to them that I was looking for a ball in the $150 price range that would hook a bit more than the other balls I use, for when the shot is so that I am entering the pocket too light or not at all.  They recommended the Goliath.  I had one drilled up (I don't know the technical specs of the drilling, just my typical pattern).  Let me tell you, I was so impressed with the way the ball finds its way to the pocket, and the reaction of the pins upon impact was unreal.  Normally on a good shot for me, all ten pins are in the pit, but this ball seems to scatter them and make them bounce end over end like nothing I've ever seen.  It almost appears I was throwing a 20 lb. oversized ball.  The best Brunswick product I've used in years, and for a great price.

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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2004, 05:21:56 AM »
Drilled - 5x5.5, pin above ring finger, no X-hole
Coverstock - slightly shined

Of all the heavy load particles Ive owned theres only been 2 that Ive had success with, the Apex Obsession and the original red Predator. The Goliath mite be my new favorite. When most reactives are too flippy, this ball shines. It rolls EXTREMELY heavy after the first 15 feet, doesnt waste alot of energy in the heads. I use stronger particles to go straighter when the fronts are slick. The drier the backends are, the better this ball looks. The hit is probably the best Ive seen from any heavy load particle, looks about 2ft wide on the backend.

Its a definite keeper for players that need this type of reaction.

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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2004, 01:07:07 PM »
I purchased a Goliath about 3 weeks ago.  After waiting for the right conditions, I have been able to use it 4 times and can post an accurate review.
Spec:
15 lbs
The pin is about 1" below and 1/2" right of the ring finger (I an righthanded)
Cover is in box condition.
The ball ended up with thumbweight.
I thought this ball would be pretty condition specific with this layout, but I wanted to create a reaction similar to the Brunswick Teal Pro Zone from several years ago.  
The Goliath goes into an early roll, but there is no sign of it rolling out.  The carry is very good.  The reaction is an arc.  Therefore high hits carry extremely well.  What is surprising is how well the light hits carry.  I won't list the scores I've had so far because even I can't believe them.  This is the first Brunswick ball I've used in several years.  I will now look to Brunswick first as I need to fill a hole in my arsenal.

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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2004, 01:47:27 AM »
Wow this ball is a BEAST. I got it about a month ago from my pro shop, not that expensive at all. Which is good because you get a lot of ball for very little price. Had this ball set up nice, 2 1/2 inch pin, drilled at 11 o'clock right below the ring finger, and the CG kicked. Decided to test it out in my JOG premiere league that i bowl. I could play the oiled part of the lane where nobody else could. This ball straight tore through everything and carried VERY clean. Great through the heads, and holds its power down the backends. I reccommend this ball.
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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2004, 08:54:08 PM »
GREAT PARTICLE BALL. PRICE IS GREAT...HOOK IS SWEET. NO NEED FOR AND EXPENSIVE PARTICLE BALL. WHEN THE FRONTS ARE OILED, IT WORKS WELL. GREAT PIN ACTION AND HARD ARCING BACKEND. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THIS BALL ON THEIR HOLIDAY LIST.
YOU CAN POLISH THIS BALL AND IT WORKS LIKE A SOLID REACTIVE. THUMBS UP!!!

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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2004, 12:25:38 PM »
After having some of my best success with Brunswick particle balls, including the Deep Violet, Navy Quantum, Riot Zone and Shock Zone, I hadn't found a particle of any type that really matched up for me since the Detonator.  I tried the Navy Fuze,Eliminator, Swamp Monster, Raging Inferno, Warp Zone, and some non Brunswick particles with no luck.  I wasn't expecting anything better from the Goliath, but after 2 shots I knew I was in for a pleasant surprise. I set this one up similar to my old shock zone at 4x4 with an axis hole.  Core shell match up is important in any ball, but for some reason it is absolutely critical to me in Brunswick particles.  It is because while particle balls all burn off a lot of energy early, Brunswick more than any other company has some tall cores that allow me a lot of hit even after the ball stands up a little.  What I got with the Goliath was a ball that let me get further into the dry than I expected yet get smooth continuation into the pocket after the ball should have burned off all its energy.  On the lanes this ball gives me a lot of the look of my Old Shock Zone with a simlar layout.  Where balls like the Eliminator, Warp Zone and Swamp Monster just didn't give me the hit I wanted due to burnout, the Goliath seems to carry the corners even when it clearly has burned off a lot of energy.

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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2005, 10:06:39 AM »
First Post so Here it goes. RH 19mph, med revs heavy roll 224 avg. Bowl predominately on a flooded "bushy" Christmas tree pattern to approx 42 ft, w/ soft backends.
Drilled this one up aggressively (sorry no specs to PAP) w/ a small axis hole for early roll. First 4 games out of the box hit like a Marshmallow, after she got some oil in the coverstock this ball seems to hit as hard as any ball I've ever owned, great recovery in the oil and a tamed reaction when it does touch the dry. When the heads go, put it AWAY. If you are looking for something to move in the soup, this is a ball to look at. High Performance at a moderate price

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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2005, 11:17:49 PM »
Brunswick MVP Goliath:
Ball Specs
The ball being drilled was a 2 1/2” pin out with 3.00 oz top weight.
Drilling: Pin 4" from PAP and Mb 4 1/2" from PAP (approximately 60 degrees) pin is below fingers, 1 3/4" above grip midline. Weight hole past axis pitched away at a 3 o'clock angle.
Bowler Information:
Track diameter is 10 1/2.
PAP is measured at 5 1/4 over and 3/8" up.
Average ball speed (foul line to head pin) is 17 mph.
Axis rotation is typically 45 degrees
Initial rev rate is typically 300 rpm, "Tweener"
Lane Condition and Pattern: AMF HPL Panels. AMF Bowlero lanes in Milwaukee. Home of the 2004 ABC Masters. Oiled to 45 feet clean backends. Oil Pattern tapered block dry outsides, 50+ units of oil on the inside.

REVIEW:
Generally I don't like high load particle balls because they tend to hook early and not finish on the backends. The Goliath is better at this. It clears the front part of the lane pretty easily, but does set up pretty early in the middle of the lane and has a smooth arc on the backend. Out of the box on the fresh oil pattern, (see above) the ball gave me the same line as my Hammer The Real Deal, except the real deal had more continuation on the backend, but overall a carbon copy ball to the Real Deal. I would like to see the Goliath "Lope" a touch more down the lane. The hit is like all Brunswick balls. Always Great. I would use this ball on a fresh oil pattern but with super snapping backends because this ball is so smooth on the last 15 feet. Truly a great ball for a low track player, (Spinner) or some looking for a high performance low priced ball. After 20 games, the ball has shown no quit on the backends just with general cleaning.
Compared to my other Balls:

The Hammer Real Deal: Similiar hook characteristics but less lope and less backend out of the Goliath.

Thanks for reading my review.
Dwight

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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2005, 07:29:31 PM »
I purchased this ball as my ultimate heavy oil ball after the Storm Triple XTreme didn't do what I expected, or what Storm advertised.  Also, I decided that a particle ball would be better than a just a solid reactive for heavy oil.  My pro-shop guy at Yohah Bowl in Cleveland, Georgia (who I would recommend to anyone in the area) recommended it too, so I put in the order.  The ball ended up being null, 4oz; a top weight of 2.5 oz, and a 2-3 pin.  We drilled the ball to its maximum, where the core was at its most aggressive position, and I went out on our new 42 foot heavy oil pattern.  I was not impressed.  With the box finish, the ball never finished.

I spoke with my proshop guy and we took it down to 320 grit, from the basic 400 from Brunswick.  The ball just took off.  It is now the first ball out of my bag and by far the most aggressive.  The small surface difference made it an awesome ball.  I highly recommend it to anyone wanting a HEAVY oil ball.  Also, from what i've heard, you can really play with the surface and make it an awesome medium oil ball.  Just work with the surface for the right fit for you and your game.  An Absolutely Superior Ball.


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Re: BVP Goliath
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2005, 04:33:42 AM »
2" Pin
41/2 x 31/2" drilling
Pin lined up under the ring finger

This ball really surprised me. I thought it would have set up a lot like my Swamp Monster. But this ball finishes a lot harder off the dry, harder than my Ultimate Inferno. Granted you have to bowl on some oil to get that strong reaction on the backend. If you want to open up the lane, this is the ball to do it with.

Lately I've been bowling with it polished, 400 grit then 10min in the Luster King. Its much more controlled but will still handle carrydown. And I'll say polished equipment never goes well with me. It either hits the dry to hard or skids forever. This is really a ball a lot of people looking for oil equipment should try. As long as you can get it to hold its line. Speed, turn, tilt, etc.