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LotsaBalls

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Avalanche Urethane
« on: June 03, 2010, 01:29:02 AM »
Mine should be here tomorrow, has anyone drilled one yet?

 

mj79

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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2010, 09:50:32 PM »
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I just got my avalanche pearl.  I didn't use angles to lay it out, sorry.. but I put the pin about an inch above the ring finger and the CG kicked right of the ring finger a bit.. 5" pin to PAP. PAP 5 1/2 over and 3/8 up.. cg ended up just above the midline and to the right of the ring finger..

Ball is definitely weak and smooth.. when I hit the dry the ball didn't jump off of it at all.. Lanes were way to slick for the ball ..
I will try it again on my Tuesday league where the lanes are usually toasted..
Will report back then..

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your house doesnt oil for leagues?  Or is it a smaller league?


Our house oils  1/2 the lanes on monday for the sport league ( USBC nationals pattern )  , and a 38foot  house shot on the other 1/2 of the lanes on thursday.. 2 day a week oiling I guess until fall leagues when I think it goes to 3 days a week
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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2010, 09:51:23 PM »
oh and thanks guys for the info on the Siiar / abralon confusion..
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mj79

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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2010, 09:51:24 PM »
oh and thanks guys for the info on the Siiar / abralon confusion..
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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2010, 12:02:43 AM »
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I just got my avalanche pearl.  I didn''t use angles to lay it out, sorry.. but I put the pin about an inch above the ring finger and the CG kicked right of the ring finger a bit.. 5" pin to PAP. PAP 5 1/2 over and 3/8 up.. cg ended up just above the midline and to the right of the ring finger..

Ball is definitely weak and smooth.. when I hit the dry the ball didn''t jump off of it at all.. Lanes were way to slick for the ball ..
I will try it again on my Tuesday league where the lanes are usually toasted..
Will report back then..

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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
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your house doesnt oil for leagues?  Or is it a smaller league?


Our house oils  1/2 the lanes on monday for the sport league ( USBC nationals pattern )  , and a 38foot  house shot on the other 1/2 of the lanes on thursday.. 2 day a week oiling I guess until fall leagues when I think it goes to 3 days a week
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HAHA.. Don''t get me started.. this house doesn''t care about bowling or bowlers.. In walking with the machine down the lane while it oiled I knew more about how it worked than the guy that has been using it for 2 years to oil the lanes.
Not one person that works in the bowling alley actually bowls..
They have no clue what they are doing .. I get in an argument with the manager at least once a season..

Let me put it this way.. Do any of you guys pay the same lineage for summer leagues that you do winter...?? We do..
Their reasoning.. "Well you are actually getting a bargain cause lineage is going from $12 to $14 next winter""....

funny thing is this super dry shot is better than the usual oil during the winter.. its usually spotty dry left of 8 and a spotty flood right of 8..
atleast the dry shot has recovery if you miss right..


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Edited on 6/5/2010 0:05 AM
375 RPM, 17-18 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 17 DEG TILT

LotsaBalls

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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2010, 08:48:14 PM »
Drilled it up Friday, went with 45*4*30. Its a very strong layout so I threw it before putting a hole in it. This ball is much stronger off the friction in OOB surface than I wanted so I took it down by hand with 1000 Abralon and it was much smoother but still got down the lane pretty good. I decided on a P1 hole 7/8 x 3in deep to smooth it out even more. I have high hopes for this piece, it is a much needed addition to my arsenal.

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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2010, 01:49:14 AM »
I drilled mine yesterday and laid it out 65 x 4 x 40 with no weight hole. And I'd have to agree with Lotsaballs on the strong reaction. I threw mine last night on a fresh 39' THS and I was surprised by how much it did move on the back. It is very clean through the front with a very nice predictable move down lane. The thing I like most about this ball is I don't have to worry about hitting it too much at the release. Every time I did the ball just held line and went high flush. I will be throwing it on a variety of shots over the next week and I will post how it goes. So far though I am very impressed by this ball.
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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2010, 10:40:06 PM »
So am I thinking crazy or would this ball drilled right be a good solid spare ball?  

I keep breaking my plastic balls around the thumbhole because of my track rolling over the thumb hole and my higher ball speed.  This is in less than a month they break, and I have done it to 3 different plastic balls now.  

Seems a pearl urethane is a good choice for a spare ball, if thrown up the back with the hand and drilled with one of those drillings that make it go straight.

I've been trying to find a USBC and PBA approved rubber spare ball in 15# and this seems very hard without either paying way too much because they are collectors items or some weird cheap off brand which worries me about quality.

So the Avalanche Urethane looks very interesting to me as a spare ball, but wondering what others think.  I always thought the blue pearl urethane hammer would be good, and this seems sort of similar.  

Thanks,
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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2010, 10:52:42 PM »
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So am I thinking crazy or would this ball drilled right be a good solid spare ball?  

I keep breaking my plastic balls around the thumbhole because of my track rolling over the thumb hole and my higher ball speed.  This is in less than a month they break, and I have done it to 3 different plastic balls now.  

Seems a pearl urethane is a good choice for a spare ball, if thrown up the back with the hand and drilled with one of those drillings that make it go straight.

I've been trying to find a USBC and PBA approved rubber spare ball in 15# and this seems very hard without either paying way too much because they are collectors items or some weird cheap off brand which worries me about quality.

So the Avalanche Urethane looks very interesting to me as a spare ball, but wondering what others think.  I always thought the blue pearl urethane hammer would be good, and this seems sort of similar.  

Thanks,
Chris


Possibly.
Put the pin on your PAP (point CG towards the grip center) and it could work.
I think if you dulled it, it might roll out sooner, in which case a Groove urethane is a safer and CHEAPER bet.
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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2010, 10:53:04 PM »
I used mine for spares in league last night, as well as throwing it on a few fill shots.  For me, the Av Urethane hooked maybe a board or two more overall than my T-Zone on crosslane shots, but was noticeably weaker than my polished Groove Urethane was.  The Av is also more even front to back than the Groove, which was a big help for those pesky combination spares.
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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2010, 11:15:56 PM »
Mine is very strong, not at all what I was hoping for. It's not a bad ball and it will get some use but I wouldn't consider it a urethane type reaction. i never seen a urethane read the friction like this ball. I was practicing with Tom Smallwood earlier in the week and he had the same opinion of it. Very smooth on lighter volume patterns, but I think it will be to strong on the shorter sport patterns.

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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2010, 11:29:29 PM »
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Mine is very strong, not at all what I was hoping for. It's not a bad ball and it will get some use but I wouldn't consider it a urethane type reaction. i never seen a urethane read the friction like this ball. I was practicing with Tom Smallwood earlier in the week and he had the same opinion of it. Very smooth on lighter volume patterns, but I think it will be to strong on the shorter sport patterns.


how do you have yours drilled.. pin to pap.. and pin to VAL..

Mine isn't strong at all.. kind of disappointed in the backend..
ball has trouble getting the ten out..
I just chalked it up to the lanes not being dry enough..
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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2010, 11:34:46 PM »
gotta agree...this is my experience as well.

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Mine is very strong, not at all what I was hoping for. It's not a bad ball and it will get some use but I wouldn't consider it a urethane type reaction. i never seen a urethane read the friction like this ball. I was practicing with Tom Smallwood earlier in the week and he had the same opinion of it. Very smooth on lighter volume patterns, but I think it will be to strong on the shorter sport patterns.

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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2010, 12:05:32 AM »
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So am I thinking crazy or would this ball drilled right be a good solid spare ball?  

I keep breaking my plastic balls around the thumbhole because of my track rolling over the thumb hole and my higher ball speed.  This is in less than a month they break, and I have done it to 3 different plastic balls now.  



In regards to plastic spare balls cracking around the thumb - yes, a urethane ball will hold up immensely better to that sort of abuse.  I had similar issues and prefer urethane to polyester for my spare ball.

Out of curiosity, did you use a thumb slug in those plastic balls that cracked around the thumb hole?  Local shop has been eliminating the slug on spare balls and that has decreased this sort of problem as well.
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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2010, 12:14:28 AM »
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So am I thinking crazy or would this ball drilled right be a good solid spare ball?  

I keep breaking my plastic balls around the thumbhole because of my track rolling over the thumb hole and my higher ball speed.  This is in less than a month they break, and I have done it to 3 different plastic balls now.  



In regards to plastic spare balls cracking around the thumb - yes, a urethane ball will hold up immensely better to that sort of abuse.  I had similar issues and prefer urethane to polyester for my spare ball.

Out of curiosity, did you use a thumb slug in those plastic balls that cracked around the thumb hole?  Local shop has been eliminating the slug on spare balls and that has decreased this sort of problem as well.
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Yeah I have a thumb slug in the spare balls, one was a vise IT system actually and it got to where I had to finally pry the IT Slug out of the hole cause it was almost completely jammed in there from the cracks.  The first was a Vis-A-Ball and second a T-Zone, this one is a blue dot.  The blue dot has decided to totally crack and actually having the plastic fall out of the ball already (it's only 3 weeks old).  I guess cause it's more brittle, I had feared that it could be worse with a blue dot, sad because I really like how straight this thing goes.  

I had another idea that I had read about where you have the thumb hole drilled out really large and plug it, then drill the thumb hole.  So I guess in theory that would possibly make it less likely to crack from having either a bigger hole or different material around the thumb hole or avoiding the glue directly on the plastic.

I like the idea though of a urethane or rubber spare ball, plastic seems cheap and with it cracking just makes me feel my assumptions are correct.  I am amazed that the avalanche urethane might not be a good choice from looking at the perfect scale on bowlingball.com and seeing it lower than any of the other urethanes.  Then again I see the durometer of it is slightly lower than the natural or grenade which is odd, since would think it'd be harder being pearlized (then again not sure why I think that, don't know if it would make it harder with pearl).  

Thanks,
Chris

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Re: Avalanche Urethane
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2010, 03:10:57 AM »

Try the Groove Urethane as a spare ball. Mine is great.

The Avalanche Urethane would probably be more movement than I want. So far mine has been a pleasant surprise because I was expecting a "dart" but I can play up the dry boards even on fresh with it. Good luck.


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