Author Topic: 8000 super-polished?!? How do you get this? (Read 6390 times)

JessN16 · « **on:** January 10, 2009, 04:25:32 PM »

It's on an overseas Track ball:

http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=3667

Would this ball ever read the lane, and how would you go about applying this surface?

Jess

themagician · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2009, 12:39:07 AM »

Wow, I wish I had that at my disposable to make a ball not intended for lighter conditions work lol
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2009, 01:25:29 AM »

Hey Jess,

One of my old customers in construction brought me some 8000 and 16000? grit pads a couple of years ago. He said they use it for very fine sanding, blanking right now on where he got them. I'm guessing maybe home depot or other hardware store types should have them.

Anyway, we tried it on a few balls but it's not really as long as you would think. The balls still moved almost the same as 4k, not enough to impress me to get and use in the shop imho.

I will again have to ask our cover guru "Charlest" to chime in. I think we had this discussion of 8k in the past but I'm old and forgetful now, can't remember for sure, sorry.
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J_Mac · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2009, 09:46:55 AM »

Discussions of 8000 grit in the past usually included info about Micro Mesh abrasives, which aren't as fine as they sound.

MM4000 = US 1500 = Something between 2000 and 4000 Abralon

http://www.sisweb.com/micromesh/conversion.htm

This is a polish though, so who knows what sort of abrasive is being used. Perhaps it is a polish that uses something like cerium oxide, which is commonly used for polishing glass.

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2009, 10:04:48 AM »

Rick & Jess,

My 2 cents:
Those Micro-fine grit levels are, I'm fairly sure, the Japanese grit levels, whose high numbers are roughly equivalent to our finest grit levels, like the Abralon 4000 FEPA or "P" grits.

They first appeared in woodworking catalogs 8 - 10 years ago, but they had the explanation, like Mirka has for Abralon, but people ignore them because it's convenient not to go into "details".

If you use 4000 grit Abralon pad, then follow that up with Trizact's white cerium oxide pads, you can probably get something equivalent to that "8000" grit level or even higher. Some of the orginal estimates for the white pad were 5000 to 1000 US grit. The cerium oxide is an incredibly fine level of sanding and is used commercially on glass and other very hard substances.

Note that on bowling balls the result of using the Trizact white pad will be a virtual shine. Follow that up with a strong polish like Finesse-It or or Snake Oil or other very good polish and the effect is amazing.

I did that to my old Blue Dot 2 nights agao. Once they, Blue DOts, wear a track, even a strong polish does not stop that ball from hooking. With the 4000 Abralon + white Trizact pad, it hooks a LOT less.

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Necromancer · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2009, 10:23:15 AM »

My Vertigo is 8000 polished.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2009, 11:15:05 AM »

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I have to differ with your opinion on reaction with the higher grit. I use the 2000 grit for low-med rev and the 5000 for a high rev bowler. Most use the 2000 or 5000 to polish up their spare ball.

Sorry for any confusion deadmoney, I agree with you. Back about 8-10 years ago, I used a line of polishes made by Squeaky (blue bottles) that went from 1000-5000 and there was definitely a visible difference in reaction with the different grits. I was referring directly to the 8k grit I used compared to 4k. Now based on the explanation from J_Mac and Charlest, that makes sense (thanks guys).

I do have one question now. So guys, currently we do not have a "P" rated 8000 grit? Is this correct?

Charlest, you're a madman. Now I'm going to have to go to my distributor and get some white trizact pads to try what you did. I have so many bone dry over/under shots out here that this may work for myself and some customers, thanks.
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Edited on 1/11/2009 12:16 PM

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2009, 12:13:51 PM »

quote:
I do have one question now. So guys, currently we do not have a "P" rated 8000 grit? Is this correct?

I haven't seen or heard of one yet.

Side NOte:
There may be some diminishing returns in using such fine level of grit. I think once you get that fine, maybe a polish with a slip agent, like Track's Delayed Reaction or Neo-Tac's Control-It may be better "tools" in this battle. That "slip agent" is usually silicon and you have to be careful how much you apply of it. It is necessary to resand to a low grit to remove it, BUT you can only make some coverstocks just so fine. In my experience with some Brunswick coverstocks, I got to a point where finer levels of sanding did not increase length or reduce the backend.

quote:

Charlest, you're a madman.

I resemble that remark.

quote:

Now I'm going to have to go to my distributor and get some white trizact pads to try what you did. I have so many bone dry over/under shots out here that this may work for myself and some customers, thanks.
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Forget about your distributor Unless you want to pay $9 per disc

. Try this woodworking place:
http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/groupid/Abrasives%2C%20Woodworking/catid/3M%20Sanding%20Discs%2C%20Solid%20Surface/showprod/1
Heck, their price for white pads just went up to $4 per.
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Edited on 1/11/2009 4:52 PM

nd300 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2009, 12:33:43 PM »

I remember reading a post awhile back on a similar question.A reply was posted stating that toothpaste could be used and would bring about a level of approximately 5000 grit.
If you do so,remember that many of today's toothpastes contain whitening agents that may be bleach based and could damage the cover.Try and find a polishing type of toothpaste.
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no300tj · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2009, 09:31:54 AM »

I posted awhile back about having purchased some micro mesh pads. The grit ratings go up to 12000. Charlest is correct in stating that we are not comparing apples to apples. That being said, I do believe that the higher grit ratings do create what appears to be a smoother surface. My V2 sanded is at 4000 abralon. My Silver Streak is at 12000 micro mesh. You can see fine sanding lines on the V2 where the Silver Streak shows none and looks polished. However, the difference in lane friction is not as great as a 6000 point difference would have you believe. I definitely see less read in the oil, but not a huge amount.
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JessN16

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